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Mirror Repair and Door card Removal -Door mirror vandals - this ever happened to you?
I am unable to post in the how to section, so I am posting here, if a mod wants to take care of where it is best placed, here, how-to or the trash can please feel free :-)
I read there is a restriction to the number of foto's per post, I shall do this in two parts.. Part One : Has this ever happened to you... got back to your Rover 75 to find some mindless moron has had a fight with your wing mirror ? Didn’t even leave a note to say sorry .. :mad: Yup, me too. After I finished cursing ;-) And learning the replacement mirror was likely to cost at least £87 :( Here's what I did to sort the problem, being practical and inquisitive minded I just love to take things apart and find out how they tick, I suppose having a building/engineering/construction background helps? Invariably it is the base/flange of the spigot, that the mirror rotates on, that gets damaged. Unfortunately none of the parts that make up the mirror assembly are available individually apart from the mirror glass and the rear covers, which incidentally come in three varieties, namely Black, Colour Co-ordinated or Chrome, and there are two style types, Bullet, or scull. Both are assembled in pretty similar ways. Screws or nuts on studs to secure the mirror to the door. Anyway here goes, this is my three pence fix for a £87 problem. Not taking my time into account as I work for smarties. I hope this helps someone. Its not as bad as it looks :-) 01-r75bmr the damage http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../01-r75bmr.jpg 02-r75bmr closer look http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../02-r75bmr.jpg Ok, need to get the mirror off the door to work on it... two options here, (1)remove the door card completely, or (2)just remove the inner door window finisher sufficiently enough, to gain access to the three mirror fixings. Either way start with : 03-r75bmr remove retaining screw form air vent in door card, careful not to drop it into the air duct ! http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../03-r75bmr.jpg Then, adopting option (1) : 04-r75bmr gently prise the window controller and remove http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../04-r75bmr.jpg 05-r75bmr remove retaining screw from the door lever finisher http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../05-r75bmr.jpg 06-r75bmr working from this point, gently pull the door card away from its fixings, using care should keep all connectors intact http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../06-r75bmr.jpg 07-r75bmr continue around the remaining door card fixings http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../07-r75bmr.jpg NOTE : just under the door lever, are two retaining clips on the inside of the door card, professionals suggest reaching in with your hands to separate from door, or using a lever of some sort, perhaps similar to a wide bladed screwdriver. In all honesty it is much easier to lift the door card sharply upward, from a firm grip at the bottom of the door, the card will come away from the cill clips, and the hidden center clips which can then be removed from the door and placed back on the door card ready for re-assembly 08-r75bmr since the retaining lugs are easily broken from the chrome finisher, pull the door card away from the door and push the holding lugs from behind, at the same time remove the door lever cable http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../08-r75bmr.jpg 09-r75bmr chrome finisher separated from the door lever assembly http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../09-r75bmr.jpg 10-r75bmr close up of cable release method http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../10-r75bmr.jpg 11-r75bmr unclip the mirror cable and remove the retaining screws whilst supporting the mirror outside http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../11-r75bmr.jpg if adopting method (2), then : 03a-r75bmr gently prise away the plastic inner door window finishing trim http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r...03a-r75bmr.jpg 04a-r75bmr with the window down, work along the frame http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r...04a-r75bmr.jpg 05a-r75bmr at the same time, carefully prise the trim away from the door itself externally http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r...05a-r75bmr.jpg 06a-r75bmr this should now allow sufficient freedom to pull the trim to one side, unclip the tweeter cable and remove the retaining screws whilst supporting the mirror outside http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r...06a-r75bmr.jpg 12-r75bmr gently remove the mirror and foam gasket http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../12-r75bmr.jpg 13-r75bmr mirror removed clearly showing the damaged flange at the base of the central light alloy pivotal spigot http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../13-r75bmr.jpg 14-r75bmr remove the foam gasket http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../14-r75bmr.jpg 15-r75bmr remove the base cover trim http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../15-r75bmr.jpg 16-r75bmr the cable run is now visible and the cable can be removed http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../16-r75bmr.jpg 17-r75bmr main mirror body separated from door fixture section http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../17-r75bmr.jpg 18-r75bmr main mirror body separated from door fixture section http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../18-r75bmr.jpg 19-r75bmr working from this point with a flat tool, remove the scull mirror cover cap http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../19-r75bmr.jpg 20-r75bmr gently push in retaining lugs and remove cover cap http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../20-r75bmr.jpg 21-r75bmr the top side of the spigot can clearly be seen complete with its castellated beveled washer http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../21-r75bmr.jpg 22-r75bmr to remove the mirror glass, first push fully to the outside http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../22-r75bmr.jpg 23-r75bmr gently working the release clip applying outward pressure to the glass http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../23-r75bmr.jpg 24-r75bmr mirror glass separated from retaining clip http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../24-r75bmr.jpg 25-r75bmr pushing the motor rocker fully in the opposite direction, the glass can be removed http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../25-r75bmr.jpg 26-r75bmr mirror glass removed http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../26-r75bmr.jpg 27-r75bmr mark which connector goes where, and unclip the wires http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../27-r75bmr.jpg 28-r75bmr three components remain, mirror motor with rocker, inner assembly with pivotal spigot and the main mirror body http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../28-r75bmr.jpg 29-r75bmr handholding a drill bit gives careful control in removing the plastic retaining rivets only three are visible, the forth is hidden under the mirror motor http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../29-r75bmr.jpg 30-r75bmr I chose to remove the mirror rocker from the motor, as the motor is held in by three hard to get to plastic moulded lugs, which easily break when disturbed http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../30-r75bmr.jpg 31-r75bmr push the retaining yellow motor controllers out from their sockets http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../31-r75bmr.jpg 32-r75bmr close up http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../32-r75bmr.jpg 33-r75bmr twisting the rocker30degress, will release it from its central holding clip http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../33-r75bmr.jpg 34-r75bmr prise motor from three plastic holding clips, don't worry if these break http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../34-r75bmr.jpg 35-r75bmr pull away motor http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../35-r75bmr.jpg 36-r75bmr noting positions, unclip cables http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../36-r75bmr.jpg 37-r75bmr pull cables free from housing http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../37-r75bmr.jpg 38-r75bmr the hidden rivet can now be drilled http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../38-r75bmr.jpg 39-r75bmr separate the inner assembly with pivotal spigot from the main mirror body http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../39-r75bmr.jpg 40-r75bmr damaged spigot end with flange missing, clearly showing the key or keep http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../40-r75bmr.jpg 41-r75bmr carefully remove 6 or 7mm of the keep with a hacksaw and file to clean http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../41-r75bmr.jpg 42-r75bmr a little blurred but part of the keep removed http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../42-r75bmr.jpg 43-r75bmr turn assembly over to show castellated / internal toothed, retaining washer http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../43-r75bmr.jpg |
Part two :
44-r75bmr close up, work the teeth until the washer comes free, take care here and remember it is under pressure form the spring underneath http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../44-r75bmr.jpg 45-r75bmr separated parts, newly modified spigot, spring and now unusable retaining washer http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../45-r75bmr.jpg 46-r75bmr using a hacksaw, cut a groove the thickness of the blade, 3mm's in from each end http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../46-r75bmr.jpg 47-r75bmr close up http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../47-r75bmr.jpg 48-r75bmr here's the three pence cure I was talking about, fix one cir-clip at the keep end of the spigot http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../48-r75bmr.jpg 49-r75bmr insert spigot into the door fixing section of the mirror assembly http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../49-r75bmr.jpg 50-r75bmr just to give an idea of how it all fits together, leave the two plastic washers in this position, but do not assemble remaining parts at this stage http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../50-r75bmr.jpg 51-r75bmr in order to get that pesky spring back in its home, compress and tie down as shown and again opposite http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../51-r75bmr.jpg 52-r75bmr spring pushed firmly all the way to the bottom of the chamber http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../52-r75bmr.jpg 53-r75bmr re-assemble the inner assembly with pivotal spigot to the main mirror body, because we drilled away the retaining rivets, fix with small self tappers http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../53-r75bmr.jpg 54-r75bmr turn over unit and secure second cir-clip http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../54-r75bmr.jpg 55-r75bmr close up http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../55-r75bmr.jpg 56-r75bmr cut away string ties from the spring http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../56-r75bmr.jpg 57-r75bmr et voilá mirror pivots as it should http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../57-r75bmr.jpg 58-r75bmr this way http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../58-r75bmr.jpg 59-r75bmr and that way ! http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../59-r75bmr.jpg 60-r75bmr showing position of the mirror motor, but first reconnect the mirror rocker, using thin long nose pliers to hold the yellow pins, push the rocker sockets firmly home http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../60-r75bmr.jpg 61-r75bmr rocker and motor re-united http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../61-r75bmr.jpg 62-r75bmr connect electrics http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../62-r75bmr.jpg 63-r75bmr as I said, the plastic clips easily break, self tappers hold the motor firmly in place http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../63-r75bmr.jpg 64-r75bmr the tricky bit is clipping the mirror glass onto the rocker, some say the reversal of removal is the answer http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../64-r75bmr.jpg 65-r75bmr if this was so, then clip the mirror into the far end of the rocker, then the clip end of the rocker, in reality I found it much easier to do this in reverse, clip in first, then firmly push the mirror home http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../65-r75bmr.jpg 66-r75bmr mirror safely back on the rocker, intact ! http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../66-r75bmr.jpg 67-r75bmr reconnect electrics http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../67-r75bmr.jpg 68-r75bmr replace rear decorative scull cap finisher http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../68-r75bmr.jpg 69-r75bmr cap firmly home http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../69-r75bmr.jpg 70-r75bmr all done ready to go back on the car, three pence cir-clips are us ! http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../70-r75bmr.jpg 71-r75bmr folding as it should http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../71-r75bmr.jpg 72-r75bmr replace inner door trim finisher http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../72-r75bmr.jpg 73-r75bmr tape rattling door lock pin, before putting the door card back on, thumping with side of fist to get the clips home http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r.../73-r75bmr.jpg |
Well done, Mac, on a very detailed How-to. You have considerably more patience than I, but you share my reluctance to splash the cash, when a repair is possible.
Unfortunately when the mirror on my old Accord was vandalised, all the casing was broken, so I couldn't do that type of repair. On that car, I could remove the actual mirror and bracket from the door without removing the doorcard, but would have had to remove the doorcard just to disconnect the wiring connector, which was well down the door. So I pulled as much wiring through as I could, then chopped it off, cut the connector off the new mirror, and hard-wired the two together, then tucked it back behind the doorcard. It reduced the time, and cursing, required for the job. malcolm |
cheers malcolm, i've had a few of those myself, total write offs, so no choice but to shell out on a replacement. the incident shown above was the usual mindless bored single celled moronic imbecile who clearly had nowt else better to do, or as oft the case, some one who can't park their own car unless they can use yours to bounce off to guide them in !
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Thanks for an excellent How To Mac.
I will copy this into the Interior section as it is mostly interior work to achieve this. The How To section is locked so they remain as an archive. This thread will remain as is for comment. Top quality. :) |
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;) Cheers GG I can expect a rush of these broken mirrors in the post for me to fix, I only like the Blue and Orange Smarties :D lol |
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I really appreciate the time and trouble you've obviously gone to to make it. I almost don't feel quite so angry and alone at having this done to my beautiful car, knowing that someone else has had it happen too, and recovered from it (god, I sound like I need therapy, don't I? :propeller: I am bl***y furious, though, it must be said) I'm now wondering if I have the guts to give your How-To a go. Gotta say, I don't fancy it much, tbh, but only because I reckon I'd make a mess of it, most likely. I don't even fancy much taking off the door card, really! Gulp! :eek: Just one thing I noticed on the version of the How-To which Grey Ghost posted up with the disclaimer here... the disclaimer actually says: "The 75 and ZT Owners Club nor the original author of this How-To can be held liable for anything that may happen as a result of you following this How-To." Surely that should be 'can not', eh? ;) Thanks again! |
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Unfixed as it read correct the way it is written :) |
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