1.8 turbo petrol 2003. won't start!! - Page 2

James.uk · 26th January 2011, 19:55

goldievvc wrote..

>>>or no compression. you need all 4 to work<<<

Ignore what ole goldievvc said,

as I have had many a car engine run on 3 cylinders (or less!) "Sorry to sound harsh" but there ya go goldie. heh heh.

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Mike Noc · 26th January 2011, 20:13

How have we got on to HGF here? Bit premature!

Debbiefudge can I ask how much oil did the engine lose when it broke down? If it lost it all then it looks like you may have blown the engine. As suggested do a compression test. If the engine fails the test and it lost all its oil when it broke down then it probably isn't worth rebuilding - far cheaper to buy a second hand replacement. But worth removing the head to inspect the damage to see what has failed.

Mike

debbiefudge · 26th January 2011, 22:05

Thankyou to all of you for taking the time to reply.
I will pass it all onto my Partner to read.
We have put new crankshaft in.
Really good quality spark plugs.,
My Partner is convinced the engine is still ok???????????
He seems to think if he had a good, downward hill start, she would fire up.
The Head gasket was replaced by the previous owner.
I realise, it could have gone again though?
I'm not sure how much oil actually came out, but it caused the car to stop. The oil light didn't come on in the car, and I've wondered about that?

We spent so much time and energy and money on getting her looking nice, body work etc., I'd hate to part with her! I think they are beautiful cars!

Any how, Guys, Thanks again for all your help.
It won't be until the weekend before she can be looked at again, properly. Weather permitting!
Cheers, Debbie.

debbiefudge · 26th January 2011, 22:26

Hi all, again.
My Partner has read everything now!
Just to say, I got it wrong in my first posting!
It's defo the CRANKSHAFT sensor we have renewed!

He's just told me, that not all the oil came out apparently!
Says the tank holds about 7 litres of oil, and only had to put in about 4 litres in and it was full again.
So, does that make any difference???????????

He's French! What can I say! LOL!

T-Cut · 26th January 2011, 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by debbiefudge

I'm not sure how much oil actually came out, but it caused the car to stop.

Everything's open to interpretation in a situation like this, but when you say the loss of oil 'caused the car to stop', do you mean it literally ground to a halt as you were driving? The engine slowed to a stop even though you were trying to drive? Did the high temperature warning (red light ) pop on before this happened? The way you describe events suggests a serious situation developed, but all the detail is needed to gain a clear picture of what's actually happened.

TC

goldievvc · 26th January 2011, 22:47

that engine holds 4.5 litres of oil without the turbo. so maybe 5 litres in total with? so if it took 4 litres, you`re in trouble!

james, not 4 cylinders mate, 4 aspects : fuel, spark, timing and compression. you can`t run properly with only 3.

Martynp · 26th January 2011, 23:37

As you can see Debbie the forum will help IF the forum gets the correct information.

May I suggest that your Mechanic/partner write down a full description of full sequence of events for you to transmit word for word here.

It is very easy to lead us astray with poor descriptions etc as we cannot see hear or touch your car, often smell also comes into the equation believe it or not

Good luck with the compression test!

T-cut is one of the forum experts on your model car, owns one himself-----see the number of his posts and he does not engage much with idle chatter, just good honest mechanical advice

James.uk · 27th January 2011, 00:12

I think this is fun, it's a "guess whats wrong with my car" sort of thread.. lol.

Well the mechanics French innit.. lol

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chrissyboy · 27th January 2011, 10:03

i think you need to go back to basics .. do you hear the fuel pump when ignition is turned on .if so you will know the ecm is awake and ready .. check to see if the car is gettin a spark and that the fuel is getting to injectors . to me it sounds like an immobliser problem i know on these cars it shouldnt crank over but if something is wrong with in the system it is possible for it to crank over ... ... close all window and lock the car with the key fob..then open car with key fob then try to start the car ... if no luck check all fuses , to make sure none have blown ... it could also be the fuel pump as if you dont get enough pressure to the injectors the car just wont start...it could also be the filter not not ut together properly as has been said .get the parter to re check that itis put together right ,,if it is slightly open it will not work as it should ...

debbiefudge · 27th January 2011, 10:56

Hi all,
Many thanks for all your messages.
Gosh, you guys are up late on here!!
I guess, it is a bit like, 'guess, what's wrong with the car'!!
I will get him to write everything down, so, all the facts are on here.
As far as I'm aware, so far, no lights came on, there was no smell.
It just slowly, came to a stop.

Coolant level, all ok. We had put K Seal in, previously.

Could it be the Turbo, that's gone?
But she would start, wouldn't she? Even if it had gone?
I know, I'm guessing, not being a mechanic!

Thanks again, Regards, Debbie.

CHRISSYBOY.... Fuel pump can be heard. O ring was replaced and orange clip put on. We have been through all the imboliser issues. We only have one key for the car. All, fuses and relays have been double checked.

26th January 2011, 22:05	#13
debbiefudge Avid contributor rover 75. 1.8 turbo. 2003. petrol. manual. silver Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: portslade Near Brighton. East Sussex. Posts: 175 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	car won't start Thankyou to all of you for taking the time to reply. I will pass it all onto my Partner to read. We have put new crankshaft in. Really good quality spark plugs., My Partner is convinced the engine is still ok??????????? He seems to think if he had a good, downward hill start, she would fire up. The Head gasket was replaced by the previous owner. I realise, it could have gone again though? I'm not sure how much oil actually came out, but it caused the car to stop. The oil light didn't come on in the car, and I've wondered about that? We spent so much time and energy and money on getting her looking nice, body work etc., I'd hate to part with her! I think they are beautiful cars! Any how, Guys, Thanks again for all your help. It won't be until the weekend before she can be looked at again, properly. Weather permitting! Cheers, Debbie.

26th January 2011, 22:26	#14
debbiefudge Avid contributor rover 75. 1.8 turbo. 2003. petrol. manual. silver Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: portslade Near Brighton. East Sussex. Posts: 175 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	car won't start!! Hi all, again. My Partner has read everything now! Just to say, I got it wrong in my first posting! It's defo the CRANKSHAFT sensor we have renewed! He's just told me, that not all the oil came out apparently! Says the tank holds about 7 litres of oil, and only had to put in about 4 litres in and it was full again. So, does that make any difference??????????? He's French! What can I say! LOL!

26th January 2011, 23:37	#17
Martynp Passed Away Rover 75 2.5V6 Tourer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Forest east Posts: 812 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	As you can see Debbie the forum will help IF the forum gets the correct information. May I suggest that your Mechanic/partner write down a full description of full sequence of events for you to transmit word for word here. It is very easy to lead us astray with poor descriptions etc as we cannot see hear or touch your car, often smell also comes into the equation believe it or not Good luck with the compression test! T-cut is one of the forum experts on your model car, owns one himself-----see the number of his posts and he does not engage much with idle chatter, just good honest mechanical advice Last edited by Martynp; 26th January 2011 at 23:42.. Reason: T-cut

27th January 2011, 00:12	#18
James.uk Passed Away 2002 Pale Blue. Rover 75 CDTi Connoisseur auto. 170K miles Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Near the M67. Posts: 14,509 Thanks: 199 Thanked 585 Times in 397 Posts	I think this is fun, it's a "guess whats wrong with my car" sort of thread.. lol. Well the mechanics French innit.. lol ... Last edited by James.uk; 27th January 2011 at 00:15..

27th January 2011, 10:03	#19
chrissyboy This is my second home lovely little ford focus. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: East Dulwich Posts: 7,877 Thanks: 2 Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts	i think you need to go back to basics .. do you hear the fuel pump when ignition is turned on .if so you will know the ecm is awake and ready .. check to see if the car is gettin a spark and that the fuel is getting to injectors . to me it sounds like an immobliser problem i know on these cars it shouldnt crank over but if something is wrong with in the system it is possible for it to crank over ... ... close all window and lock the car with the key fob..then open car with key fob then try to start the car ... if no luck check all fuses , to make sure none have blown ... it could also be the fuel pump as if you dont get enough pressure to the injectors the car just wont start...it could also be the filter not not ut together properly as has been said .get the parter to re check that itis put together right ,,if it is slightly open it will not work as it should ... __________________ [ I'm really confused. -I keep dreaming I'm an insomniac Last edited by chrissyboy; 27th January 2011 at 10:06..

26th January 2011, 19:55	#11
James.uk Passed Away 2002 Pale Blue. Rover 75 CDTi Connoisseur auto. 170K miles Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Near the M67. Posts: 14,509 Thanks: 199 Thanked 585 Times in 397 Posts	goldievvc wrote.. >>>or no compression. you need all 4 to work<<< Ignore what ole goldievvc said, as I have had many a car engine run on 3 cylinders (or less!) "Sorry to sound harsh" but there ya go goldie. heh heh. ...

26th January 2011, 20:13	#12
Mike Noc This is my second home Rover 75 CDT Manual Connoisseur SE, Rover 75 CDT Automatic Connoisseur SE & a Freelander Td4. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hampshire Posts: 11,571 Thanks: 3,470 Thanked 3,119 Times in 2,247 Posts	How have we got on to HGF here? Bit premature! Debbiefudge can I ask how much oil did the engine lose when it broke down? If it lost it all then it looks like you may have blown the engine. As suggested do a compression test. If the engine fails the test and it lost all its oil when it broke down then it probably isn't worth rebuilding - far cheaper to buy a second hand replacement. But worth removing the head to inspect the damage to see what has failed. Mike

26th January 2011, 22:47	#16
goldievvc Avid contributor MG ZT-T 190 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Falkirk Posts: 129 Thanks: 10 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	that engine holds 4.5 litres of oil without the turbo. so maybe 5 litres in total with? so if it took 4 litres, you`re in trouble! james, not 4 cylinders mate, 4 aspects : fuel, spark, timing and compression. you can`t run properly with only 3.

27th January 2011, 10:56	#20
debbiefudge Avid contributor rover 75. 1.8 turbo. 2003. petrol. manual. silver Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: portslade Near Brighton. East Sussex. Posts: 175 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	car won't start Hi all, Many thanks for all your messages. Gosh, you guys are up late on here!! I guess, it is a bit like, 'guess, what's wrong with the car'!! I will get him to write everything down, so, all the facts are on here. As far as I'm aware, so far, no lights came on, there was no smell. It just slowly, came to a stop. Coolant level, all ok. We had put K Seal in, previously. Could it be the Turbo, that's gone? But she would start, wouldn't she? Even if it had gone? I know, I'm guessing, not being a mechanic! Thanks again, Regards, Debbie. CHRISSYBOY.... Fuel pump can be heard. O ring was replaced and orange clip put on. We have been through all the imboliser issues. We only have one key for the car. All, fuses and relays have been double checked. Last edited by debbiefudge; 27th January 2011 at 11:08.. Reason: further info