Interesting Fuel - Page 2

Mike Trident · 28th August 2018, 21:43

I had seen what the bit of ethanol that we have now does to my classic bikes.

NOT GOOD!

There is another issue with ethanol, it evaporates at an alarming rate.

SCP440 · 29th August 2018, 06:19

It also absorbs water from the atmosphere, the problem is if you leave your car for several months over the winter the water absorbed sinks to the bottom of the tank. Not so much of a problem on cars with plastic tanks but there are still metal parts that will be affected.

BigBen · 29th August 2018, 09:38

Well, Land Rover have said it's fine in all their Petrol models manufactured after 1996, which would include the K4 and KV6......

Mark in Canada been using E10 in his early MGF since 2011 (he's now notched up over 11k miles on it I believe) and has had no problems... so if his runs OK over there we should be fine here with icing etc.

Interestingly Lotus say NO - but then when you read deeper they also add that this is because they haven't tested it, so won't/can't recommend it.

Super Unleaded (98/99 octane or above) is only ever a maximum of 5% bioethanol - so this will be safe to use anyway and, apparently, will be available for the foreseeable future.

bl52krz · 29th August 2018, 10:02

No trouble with my 75. Get yourself a diesel.

BigBen · 29th August 2018, 10:16

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Originally Posted by bl52krz

No trouble with my 75. Get yourself a diesel.

No, thank-you. Hate 'em. Each to their own, though!

Oh - and no trouble with mine, either, because this is another load of BS "news"

I'm not so sure this kind of thing isn't just trotted out to scare people into getting rid of their older but perfectly serviceable cars.

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bl52krz · 29th August 2018, 10:45

Could not agree more. I remember the same thing with unleaded . They came up with a solution. I remember when they added 5% bio ethanol. Same when they started to put rubbish into diesel. It is all done for money under the umbrella of ‘climate change’ Should be changed to ‘ money grubbing’.

Dawn · 29th August 2018, 11:47

Just read more on the Federation for historic vehicles and there are adfitives but ethanol eats certain types of elastomer. I don't know if its the type in my new head gasket.

trikey · 29th August 2018, 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBen

Well, Land Rover have said it's fine in all their Petrol models manufactured after 1996, which would include the K4 and KV6......

Mark in Canada been using E10 in his early MGF since 2011 (he's now notched up over 11k miles on it I believe) and has had no problems... so if his runs OK over there we should be fine here with icing etc.

Interestingly Lotus say NO - but then when you read deeper they also add that this is because they haven't tested it, so won't/can't recommend it.

Super Unleaded (98/99 octane or above) is only ever a maximum of 5% bioethanol - so this will be safe to use anyway and, apparently, will be available for the foreseeable future.

At a hugely inflated price no doubt

trikey · 29th August 2018, 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawn

Just read more on the Federation for historic vehicles and there are adfitives but ethanol eats certain types of elastomer. I don't know if its the type in my new head gasket.

Your gasket is made up of a silicon based elastomer Dawn, this will be ok when exposed to ethanol.

RobSun · 29th August 2018, 15:49

This has been a much discussed issue in classic car circles for a while now. Ethanol evaporates as said but it is hydroscopic also so attracting water. this can cause serious problems in cars not used much and those put away for winter. It also deteriorates over time i.e. goes off causing running problems and this water absorption and going off can happen in a few weeks. A car parked up for a month can become a victim. To over come this fuel stabilisers can be obtained, I use one in my Dolomite.

Another problem is that it dissolves some fuel pipes causing leaks and deposits to be carried into the carbs or injection system. This shouldn't be too much of a problem on a more modern car but is in older ones. Only thing to rectify is to change flexible lines to a modern material. This can also be a problem with rubber components such as diaphragms in carbs and pumps and seals on older cars and this is not so easy to rectify.

Further problem is it corrodes the metals used in the manufacture of carbs and pumps etc. so all in all not a good thing to have in your tank.

As has been posted the Federation of Historic Vehicles has taken up the mantle and is in discussions with the Government. They have been running a poll of members which ends in a few days getting the observations of classic car owners from vintage to more recent models and some owners especially of vintage stuff are very worried. I have been able to put my thoughts forward and from what I understand all is not finalised. The powers that be are listening because the classic car movement is big and spends a lot of money. If a large number of cars were suddenly stopped from being used less is spent. E10 is going to happen but it is thought that a supply of E5 will be made available in limited outlets for the classic users. But like 4 star leaded it could disappear eventually and we will have to rely on the additive makers to come up with the correct products to keep old cars moving, or just not use them as much.

28th August 2018, 21:43	#11
Mike Trident Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDTi Saloon & Citroen C1 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Oakenshaw, Near Bradford Posts: 1,628 Thanks: 385 Thanked 552 Times in 328 Posts	I had seen what the bit of ethanol that we have now does to my classic bikes. NOT GOOD! There is another issue with ethanol, it evaporates at an alarming rate. __________________ Rover 75 2.0 CDTi (131Ps) Conn SE Saloon. (Manual) 160 Remap, cruise control, electric window blind, temp gauge, Real walnut / ZT interior, FBH with GSM control. BORN Tuesday, 5th October 2004 @ 12:35:52 This vehicle was the 104,679th 75 to run off the production line, out of 112,381 This vehicle was the 3,318th 75 CDT Connoisseur SE (135) to be made out of 4,744 This vehicle was the 12,440th 75 in Starlight Silver (code: MBB) to be made out of 14,280 Starlight Silver 75s

29th August 2018, 09:38	#13
BigBen Loves to post R75 V8 Tourer, CDTi Auto Tourer (both Connie SE), MG ZT-T 190+, MG TF 115 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Here be Dragons! Posts: 490 Thanks: 106 Thanked 160 Times in 101 Posts	Well, Land Rover have said it's fine in all their Petrol models manufactured after 1996, which would include the K4 and KV6...... Mark in Canada been using E10 in his early MGF since 2011 (he's now notched up over 11k miles on it I believe) and has had no problems... so if his runs OK over there we should be fine here with icing etc. Interestingly Lotus say NO - but then when you read deeper they also add that this is because they haven't tested it, so won't/can't recommend it. Super Unleaded (98/99 octane or above) is only ever a maximum of 5% bioethanol - so this will be safe to use anyway and, apparently, will be available for the foreseeable future. __________________ S. Wales meets cancelled until further notice [SIGPIC]https://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/image.php?u=23989&type=sigpic&dateline=1467731033[/SIGPIC] Past cars:- BL: Discovery 3.1 & V8 2WD pick-up, Rover 800 Vitesse Turbo Coupe, 820 SLi 180 Fastback, 600ti, Montego 2.0EFi VDP, Ital 1.3 Estate Ford: Transit Cosworth V6, Granada 2.9 V6 Scorpio & 2.8 V6 GL Volvo: 480 Turbo & 1.7 ES, 240 GLE Porsche: 944 2.7 Lux Audi: 100 ESE 20v Peugeot: 405 1.9 GR Talbot: Alpine 1.6 Rapier S Last edited by BigBen; 29th August 2018 at 09:44..

29th August 2018, 10:02	#14
bl52krz This is my second home Rover 75 cdt club + Rover 2.5 KV6 Conni SE Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 11,444 Thanks: 6,587 Thanked 2,262 Times in 1,729 Posts	No trouble with my 75. Get yourself a diesel. __________________ Great Barr, Birmingham.

29th August 2018, 10:45	#16
bl52krz This is my second home Rover 75 cdt club + Rover 2.5 KV6 Conni SE Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 11,444 Thanks: 6,587 Thanked 2,262 Times in 1,729 Posts	Could not agree more. I remember the same thing with unleaded . They came up with a solution. I remember when they added 5% bio ethanol. Same when they started to put rubbish into diesel. It is all done for money under the umbrella of ‘climate change’ Should be changed to ‘ money grubbing’. __________________ Great Barr, Birmingham.

29th August 2018, 06:19	#12
SCP440 I really should get out more....... MG ZT-T 260 Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Witney Posts: 2,508 Thanks: 6 Thanked 910 Times in 571 Posts	It also absorbs water from the atmosphere, the problem is if you leave your car for several months over the winter the water absorbed sinks to the bottom of the tank. Not so much of a problem on cars with plastic tanks but there are still metal parts that will be affected.

29th August 2018, 11:47	#17
Dawn I really should get out more....... MG ZT 180+ auto Join Date: May 2016 Location: Ilkeston, Derbys Posts: 2,743 Thanks: 285 Thanked 1,128 Times in 504 Posts	Just read more on the Federation for historic vehicles and there are adfitives but ethanol eats certain types of elastomer. I don't know if its the type in my new head gasket.

29th August 2018, 15:49	#20
RobSun Gets stuck in MGZTT Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Bradford Posts: 529 Thanks: 148 Thanked 256 Times in 138 Posts	This has been a much discussed issue in classic car circles for a while now. Ethanol evaporates as said but it is hydroscopic also so attracting water. this can cause serious problems in cars not used much and those put away for winter. It also deteriorates over time i.e. goes off causing running problems and this water absorption and going off can happen in a few weeks. A car parked up for a month can become a victim. To over come this fuel stabilisers can be obtained, I use one in my Dolomite. Another problem is that it dissolves some fuel pipes causing leaks and deposits to be carried into the carbs or injection system. This shouldn't be too much of a problem on a more modern car but is in older ones. Only thing to rectify is to change flexible lines to a modern material. This can also be a problem with rubber components such as diaphragms in carbs and pumps and seals on older cars and this is not so easy to rectify. Further problem is it corrodes the metals used in the manufacture of carbs and pumps etc. so all in all not a good thing to have in your tank. As has been posted the Federation of Historic Vehicles has taken up the mantle and is in discussions with the Government. They have been running a poll of members which ends in a few days getting the observations of classic car owners from vintage to more recent models and some owners especially of vintage stuff are very worried. I have been able to put my thoughts forward and from what I understand all is not finalised. The powers that be are listening because the classic car movement is big and spends a lot of money. If a large number of cars were suddenly stopped from being used less is spent. E10 is going to happen but it is thought that a supply of E5 will be made available in limited outlets for the classic users. But like 4 star leaded it could disappear eventually and we will have to rely on the additive makers to come up with the correct products to keep old cars moving, or just not use them as much.