Diesel 75 with strange engine?? - Page 2

DMGRS · 16th February 2014, 23:55

I really really really hope it's saved and restored - I love cars with quirks, and this definitely falls under that category!

CPowell78 · 17th February 2014, 00:33

Well I can assure everyone on here that if i get it then it will be repaired and put back on the road. I might put a set of leather in it though

BigRuss · 17th February 2014, 00:58

Prototypes are ok as long as they're working, going to be a nightmare if they don't as there's no technical or diagnostic support for them.

IIRC there was a Firefrost saloon around with a JTD engine a few yrs ago

Russ

mrvandango · 17th February 2014, 05:54

I seem to recall the alfa jtd lump having 2 variants, 1.9 and 2.4. Any idea what this would have been?

Darkxs · 17th February 2014, 06:52

Just looking onlie I found some more information wbout JTD's in 75's

http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/fact...ain-2000-2005/

Fiat JTD
Next on the agenda, and far more serious, was an investigation into the Fiat JTD engine in varying states of tune. However, the Fiat engine deal floundered because the Italians wanted more money per engine than MGR would pay. Fiat wanted a guaranteed volume of engines and Longbridge couldn’t comfortably sign a contract on those numbers so a lesser volume was proposed, at which level the price per unit was too high for MGR to stomach. Much of this was thrashed out in 2002 when, immediately after the Geneva Show, an MG Rover team headed down to Turin with the hope of sealing a deal. As well as the proposed deal to buy VW diesel engines, MG Rover also had talks with Mitsubishi over engine supply but again they couldn’t make the numbers work.
According to Nic Fasci, the Fiat JTD engine was not a complete success in the 75/ZT: “My only experience of driving one (as they were very closely guarded bits of metal) was from out of the Prototype Methods build area back up to the back of the Engineering office; the diesel clatter echo you could hear between the buildings was huge compared to M47/G series. They were perky enough engines, just a bit gruff for my liking. It was a shame that the 2.4-litre five-cylinder JTD engine didn’t fit, now that was a load of fun!”
Nic added: “The Rover 75 development models used the four-cylinder 1.9-litre unit mated to either a five-speed, six-speed or tiptronic gearbox. We did spend a lot of time looking at fitting the JTD engine to the 75 range as it fitted in neatly and gave us access to some new gearbox specifications. However, it all went belly up, as I believe that JTD demanded more money for each unit, and I think Fiat wanted cash up front to get things going. Needless to say, we pulled away from the project. Pity really – it would have been interesting.”

RPWC · 17th February 2014, 06:58

A problem with the Fiat engine, I would imagine they have a cam belt, rather than a chain.

mrvandango · 17th February 2014, 09:36

And quite underpowered if they could only fit the 1.9 in.

vindaloo · 17th February 2014, 10:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPWC

A problem with the Fiat engine, I would imagine they have a cam belt, rather than a chain.

They do indeed have a belt and ideally it needs changing every 30-40k miles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrvandango

And quite underpowered if they could only fit the 1.9 in.

Definitely not underpowered easily capable of 150bhp in multijet guise and a great engine. I have had 2 Alfa's, one with the 1.9 and one with the 5 cylinder 2.4 which is an absolute cracker with either 175 or 200bhp in tap.

438brad · 17th February 2014, 10:29

I've driven the Alfa GT with the 1.9 150bhp diesel engine (it was a hire car for a weekend) and that was a cracker.....and I'm not even a fan of diesels! Also driven the 2.4 diesel 159 and I did really like that.

ceedy · 17th February 2014, 10:39

1.9 Fiat Diesel cam belts intervals seem to vary a bit ..

but our 1.9's interval is listed as 90k miles

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And @130 bhp as close as needs to the BMW lump..

but flies in the tinny thin Punto shell

C.

16th February 2014, 23:55	#11
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17th February 2014, 05:54	#14
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17th February 2014, 06:52	#15
Darkxs Gets stuck in Ex Rover 75 CDT Mk1 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Wolverhampton Posts: 578 Thanks: 117 Thanked 91 Times in 79 Posts	Just looking onlie I found some more information wbout JTD's in 75's http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/fact...ain-2000-2005/ Fiat JTD Next on the agenda, and far more serious, was an investigation into the Fiat JTD engine in varying states of tune. However, the Fiat engine deal floundered because the Italians wanted more money per engine than MGR would pay. Fiat wanted a guaranteed volume of engines and Longbridge couldn’t comfortably sign a contract on those numbers so a lesser volume was proposed, at which level the price per unit was too high for MGR to stomach. Much of this was thrashed out in 2002 when, immediately after the Geneva Show, an MG Rover team headed down to Turin with the hope of sealing a deal. As well as the proposed deal to buy VW diesel engines, MG Rover also had talks with Mitsubishi over engine supply but again they couldn’t make the numbers work. According to Nic Fasci, the Fiat JTD engine was not a complete success in the 75/ZT: “My only experience of driving one (as they were very closely guarded bits of metal) was from out of the Prototype Methods build area back up to the back of the Engineering office; the diesel clatter echo you could hear between the buildings was huge compared to M47/G series. They were perky enough engines, just a bit gruff for my liking. It was a shame that the 2.4-litre five-cylinder JTD engine didn’t fit, now that was a load of fun!” Nic added: “The Rover 75 development models used the four-cylinder 1.9-litre unit mated to either a five-speed, six-speed or tiptronic gearbox. We did spend a lot of time looking at fitting the JTD engine to the 75 range as it fitted in neatly and gave us access to some new gearbox specifications. However, it all went belly up, as I believe that JTD demanded more money for each unit, and I think Fiat wanted cash up front to get things going. Needless to say, we pulled away from the project. Pity really – it would have been interesting.” __________________ Peugeot 407 HDI Coupe Ex MGF Ex Rover 75 CDT Einhundertsechzig

17th February 2014, 06:58	#16
RPWC This is my second home 75 model car Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 20,194 Thanks: 4,008 Thanked 5,083 Times in 3,114 Posts	A problem with the Fiat engine, I would imagine they have a cam belt, rather than a chain. __________________ Cheers. Rich…

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17th February 2014, 09:36	#17
mrvandango Gets stuck in MG ZT, MGF, MX-5 Roadster Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Dorchester Posts: 501 Thanks: 48 Thanked 45 Times in 39 Posts	And quite underpowered if they could only fit the 1.9 in. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

17th February 2014, 10:29	#19
438brad Gets stuck in MG ZT-T 260 SE (#491) Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Rossendale Posts: 753 Thanks: 94 Thanked 23 Times in 22 Posts	I've driven the Alfa GT with the 1.9 150bhp diesel engine (it was a hire car for a weekend) and that was a cracker.....and I'm not even a fan of diesels! Also driven the 2.4 diesel 159 and I did really like that. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] My other toys! Holden HSV GTS 5.7 V8. Turboed and Nos '98 Honda Fireblade Mercedes Vito Never mind the power, feel the torque!

17th February 2014, 10:39	#20
ceedy This is my second home All Trophy Blue ,ZT260#50 , ZT CDTI Auto, ZR105+ and 1.8T Firefrost spoiling the Set . Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nr Sherborne But in Somerset.. Posts: 6,097 Thanks: 916 Thanked 1,214 Times in 768 Posts	1.9 Fiat Diesel cam belts intervals seem to vary a bit .. but our 1.9's interval is listed as 90k miles . And @130 bhp as close as needs to the BMW lump.. but flies in the tinny thin Punto shell C. __________________ The Three Bloo's Wifey's Zr105, MY CDTI & 260 #50 and Number One sons 1.8T in Firefrost When I were a lad Zero to 142 in 10.25 secs at the Pod on my Blown Norton. 210 Kart Champ in 70's