T series into zt/ mg6

[Neil1]

Originally Posted by mystabe

Perhaps a good reason is that slightly older 'good' engines can actually be disentangled from the donors cars electronics far more easily than modern ones, can also be far easier to get more power from with after market programmable ecu's etc and be cheaper to rebuild to a better spec. As has been mentioned it used to be very easy 20 years ago as all you had to do was tell the DVLA and pass the basic emissions test, it's far harder now and getting the car insured will be more expensive/harder now as well BUT I can see why people would think about it

Swapping the engine over is the easy bit, or not depending on what else you have to do, suspension, brakes etc.

Informing DVLA was easy as well but the problems start when you have to get the car insured especially if you intend driving it on the road.
First bit is you need to get an Engineer's Report done which you pay for, this is separate from an MOT.
Then you have to find an Insurance Company who will insure you as you now have a modified car.

I had a 1983 1000cc Mini Mayfair and put in a 1293cc race engine with all the other goodies done as well.

This I did 16 years ago and normally the insurance was around £98 but it shot up to £450 and nobody under 25 was allowed to drive it, crazy or what!

Nowadays I hate to think what it would cost to insure.

20 years prior to this I fitted a 2 litre Ford Cortina engine into a MKI Escort. The engine from the Cortina wasn't that old, a lot newer than the Escort it was going into. But Insurance wasn't an issue back then, you just insured on third party only.

[rrobson]

Not that much, insurance is quite reasonable for modified cars these days. My 25 costs 300 quid on a limited mileage policy with a years no claims. That's with everything insured too, turbo, coilovers, bucket seats, harnesses, brakes, exhaust etc etc, and I'm only 25. I'd be surprised if a zt with a tuned t series was much more...

As for your flywheel problem, lighten the standard flywheel and make a spacer for it out of aluminium with a steel face?

[minimutly]

Without being certain untill I get mits on a ztv6 flywheel, it wouls seem the easy option would be to fit one of these, then machine off the v6 reluctor teeth and cut some 1.8t ones. It leaves me with a dmf, but I think I can live with that.

[minimutly]

Neil1 I'm a bit suprised at your comments re brakes and suspension - you know its a zt allready, at most it will need a v6 disc convertion and some diesl or v6 front struts. Easy and cheap no?

[rrobson]

Does the fly have the same bolt pattern? And aren't the ring gears just sweated on? You surely could machine the flywheel and fit the gear from the turbo engine?

[minimutly]

The v6 and t have the same bolt pattern but different locating hole dia - easy fix. They would also seem to share the same starter tooth pattern (not confirmed yet). However the kv6 reluctor teeth are smaller and different pattern. Hence the k18 pattern would need to be recreated, but at a smaller diameter to both avoid the starter gear and have the metal required for the teeth..
Sounds simple, if I'm wrong the only other fix is a billet steel flywheel.

[Robson Rover Repair]

Im sorry but the t16 is not a powerful or suitable engine.

The frankly bull bhp figures that people claim on standard internals and turnso is hilarious, never mind standard management.

I witnessed a man crumble and walk away after claiming his 270bhp rover 620 t16 and it produced less than 165bhp, when his car was not only not a 197bhp version but the 177bhp distributor version, which was spiting out as much oil as it was sparks.

Looked fantastic mind you.

Unless your going forged, mental turbo, proper management beyond mems and then also custom shafts and running the engine entirely on a hybrid of zt and doner loom then your into disaster zone IMO.

Ive said it several times, the best engine we could swap into our cars would be this.

The VW TFSI engine.

Compact, narrow, dimensional wise its sitting between k series and a kv6, 6 speed boxes.



GTI – 200ps/197bhp/147kw/280nm

Edition 30 – 230ps/226bhp/169kw/300nm

Pirelli – 230ps/226bhp/169kw/300nm

Seat Leon Cupra R – 240ps/237bhp/177kw/300nm

Audi S3 – 265ps/261bhp/195kw/350nm

Even a basic 200bhp model will remap to 250 bhp on the spot. Loads of easy independent ecu setups etc.

If you where going out of the box, thats unquestionably the engine to do it with.

[coolcat]

Originally Posted by Colin_NI

Im sorry but the t16 is not a powerful or suitable engine.

The frankly bull bhp figures that people claim on standard internals and turnso is hilarious, never mind standard management.

I witnessed a man crumble and walk away after claiming his 270bhp rover 620 t16 and it produced less than 165bhp, when his car was not only not a 197bhp version but the 177bhp distributor version, which was spiting out as much oil as it was sparks.

Looked fantastic mind you.

Unless your going forged, mental turbo, proper management beyond mems and then also custom shafts and running the engine entirely on a hybrid of zt and doner loom then your into disaster zone IMO.

Ive said it several times, the best engine we could swap into our cars would be this.

The VW TFSI engine.

Compact, narrow, dimensional wise its sitting between k series and a kv6, 6 speed boxes.



GTI – 200ps/197bhp/147kw/280nm

Edition 30 – 230ps/226bhp/169kw/300nm

Pirelli – 230ps/226bhp/169kw/300nm

Seat Leon Cupra R – 240ps/237bhp/177kw/300nm

Audi S3 – 265ps/261bhp/195kw/350nm

Even a basic 200bhp model will remap to 250 bhp on the spot. Loads of easy independent ecu setups etc.

If you where going out of the box, thats unquestionably the engine to do it with.

Got a nice mapped one of those sitting in our A3 S Line

Sorry for the thread interrupt.........as you were

[Christopher Price]

VAG have tried to keep this as quiet as they can, but the TFSI engine isn't the great panacea that some people are saying, have a look at http://www.smellmyclutch.com/audis-t...adly-problems/

[minimutly]

Entitled to your opinion ColinNI, in fact i don't think you're far off the truth about "tuned" versions just not getting the power they should. My experience with them is that the std cylinder head is restrictive, the turbo too small, and the std ecu not up to power increases. That doesn't mean that this little lot can't be fixed, and for little money:-
Cylinder head - ported numerous normally aspirated ones, has a huge effect.
Turbo - I have a subaru impretza 300 bhp one here ready.
The zt ecu will do a sterling job, with a remap and larger injectors - it won't know the engine is a cast iron blocked 600bhp capable pensioner.
Other stuff may and no doubt will need checking and or changing as required, but 250 bhp should be possible, reliably.
And lets not go into shafts and the rest of the drivetrain, that's up to the way I treat it.
As for the vag engine, I think you'll find the earlier verion was both stronger and simpler - strange that, how an older engine was better than the later version....