Charges

[wraymond]

My neighbour is about to buy an EV. Does anybody have experience of the costs involved in the supply and installation of the domestic charging facility and the associated costs of charging from the domestic supply?

[stevestrat]

Drop lancpudn (Ian) a PM. He’s got an electric MG with the full domestic charging set up.

[Kevin Williams]

One aspect that might be a problem is the potential delay in getting the domestic charging installed and then actually connected to the grid.

Not too long ago 18 months was being quoted in some areas!

Another recent issue I've heard is that kids think it's good fun to play with the charger by the car to stop it charging to wind up the owner......

[Lancpudn]

Originally Posted by wraymond

My neighbour is about to buy an EV. Does anybody have experience of the costs involved in the supply and installation of the domestic charging facility and the associated costs of charging from the domestic supply?

The home charger I got was the OHME Pro 7kW charger with installation included is £999, https://ohme-ev.com/product/ohme-home-pro/ Most of the other 7kW home charger brands are also in the same ballpark for smart charging.


I'm in the process of signing up with EDF as they do a 5 hour cheap overnight rate of 8p/kWh 7 days a week for EV owners, That's 35 hours of electricity at 8p/kWh which will cover more than my EV usage plus I can program all my washing & tumble drying to be done in that time line.
https://www.edfenergy.com/electric-cars/tariffs

[hogweed]

I looked seriously into getting a 2nd hand Leaf when I got rid of the Rover about a year ago, and had quite a chat with somebody who owns one. He just plugs his into the mains when he gets home at teatime, and leaves it overnight - no expensive charger, nothing.


Obviously this is vastly slower than a proper charger, but he says it works fine for the way he uses the car...

[wraymond]

Thanks to all, most interesting. I’m not considering getting one but my daughter is. One of the hang-ups is the now blatant price rises in electricity for domestic use. I can’t help thinking merry-go-rounds with suppliers’ businesses working in concert to take advantage of market trends. Directors of suppliers of domestic electricity companies must be laughing in their sunny hideyholes.

The motor trade has never been regarded as benevolent – current trends don’t help that. When we think of the enforced rush towards ‘Net Zero’ without a please or thank you, it’s more like an anthill than human-led.

In the trade conventional cars are now appreciating rather quickly with good ‘nice’ ones leaping ahead. I wonder if there are any comparisons between costs per mile of electricity versus liquid fuel? There are also reports of fields full of unsold EV's.

[Lancpudn]

Originally Posted by wraymond

Thanks to all, most interesting. I’m not considering getting one but my daughter is. One of the hang-ups is the now blatant price rises in electricity for domestic use. I can’t help thinking merry-go-rounds with suppliers’ businesses working in concert to take advantage of market trends. Directors of suppliers of domestic electricity companies must be laughing in their sunny hideyholes.

The motor trade has never been regarded as benevolent – current trends don’t help that. When we think of the enforced rush towards ‘Net Zero’ without a please or thank you, it’s more like an anthill than human-led.

In the trade conventional cars are now appreciating rather quickly with good ‘nice’ ones leaping ahead. I wonder if there are any comparisons between costs per mile of electricity versus liquid fuel? There are also reports of fields full of unsold EV's.

The main reason there were fields of EV's was the ZEV (zero emission mandate) that started on the 3rd January, Auto manufacturers were holding them back to count as their part of their 22% of electric vehicles for this years total. All auto manufacturers who over produce ICE vehicles will be fined £15000 for each petrol car & £8000 for every ICE van over produced.



The UK has gone & "out-greened" the EU! The ZEV (zero emission mandate) came into law here on the 3rd January 2024 whereas 22% of all new cars have to be electric which will rise incrementally to 80% of all new cars will need to be electric by 2030, That's just six years away.
https://fleetworld.co.uk/zev-mandate...s-becomes-law/


It will affect motorcycles too. If you've got 20 minutes to spare have a look at this vid.

[hogweed]

It all depends so much on your driving needs. I'm retired now, and tend to spend the days pottering and drving relatively short distances - it would be unusual for me to do more than 30 miles a day (and an occasional 60 maybe).


So I could get home from whatever I was doing at tea time, plug it in, and have it ready again in the morning. But for somebody who does a greater mileage, it's less certain how handy one would be...


The young salesman was refreshingly honest with me (he no longer works there - what does that tell you ). I could have afforded only a 1st generation Leaf, and I asked him how far it would go between charges - he said a good one might manage 120 miles; more like 90 in the winter.


Newer models are of course a bit better.


At the end of the day, I just couldn't bring myself to like the wee thing, and bought a diesel Insignia with 7000 miles on the clock for £11,000


PS forgot to say that the models which were on sale for about £13,500 a year ago are now available for Around £9,000 (same age and mileage)

[Lancpudn]

Originally Posted by Lancpudn

The main reason there were fields of EV's was the ZEV (zero emission mandate) that started on the 3rd January, Auto manufacturers were holding them back to count as their part of their 22% of electric vehicles for this years total. All auto manufacturers who over produce ICE vehicles will be fined £15000 for each petrol car & £8000 for every ICE van over produced.



The UK has gone & "out-greened" the EU! The ZEV (zero emission mandate) came into law here on the 3rd January 2024 whereas 22% of all new cars have to be electric which will rise incrementally to 80% of all new cars will need to be electric by 2030, That's just six years away.
https://fleetworld.co.uk/zev-mandate...s-becomes-law/


It will affect motorcycles too. If you've got 20 minutes to spare have a look at this vid.

It's going to cost all auto manufacturers a fortune to sell new cars in the UK especially all the big Japanese brands as they're way behind on electrification apart from Nissan, Jaguar has the electric i-pace which is barely selling & will be discontinued in 2026 & Land Rover have zero electric vehicles.

[xsport]

The cost of road tax is due to increase on these vehicles soon. The cold weather giving low mileage usage due to car heating supplied by batteries and demisting the screens and condensation , is also a part of the downside ... plus the cost of buying new against high depreciation of used ones.Lack of charging availability , and time out waiting, on a long journey. The battery replacement costs on older used cars is also relevant. The actual costs of producing a new battery regarding the emmisions during this process is apparently enormous. It seems that the problem of emmisions from these car tyres are bigger , and road surface wear , is also a drawback,as they are very heavy. Vehicle car Insurance is rocketing due to fire risks. It just moves the problems facing green planet ideology from the city green low emmision zones to the manufacturing plants. Good for the user but worse for the planet . The best option is the dual fuel vehicles to keep mobile, but whatever is chosen , there will be problems. All too much hassle for very little reward. ...