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Old 13th January 2024, 17:12   #41
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Kev the Panorama was 2015, but PO knew in 2003 that Horizon was duff,

Actually before that. The original Fujitsu program was designed for the Benefits Agency but they decided quite quickly that it was too full of holes so they ditched it. Along came the PO who wanted to put everything on computer - a reasonable aim - so IT firms were asked to submit proposals. Fujitsu bid and were the cheapest so they were taken on.


Incidentally I know someone whose job was to contract IT and he said Fujitsu were awful to deal with so it came as no surprise to him it all turned belly up.
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Old 19th January 2024, 17:09   #42
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Fujitsu admissions shown on BBC news at the inquiry are staggering.
They knew there were bugs in the system but this was not disclosed at the prosecutions.

staggering, absolutely staggering

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Old 22nd January 2024, 15:59   #43
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Fujitsu admissions shown on BBC news at the inquiry are staggering.
They knew there were bugs in the system but this was not disclosed at the prosecutions.

staggering, absolutely staggering

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There is bugs in ALL systems. Microsoft, IBM, Linux, Unix et al. It is how they are addressed that matters as well as the users to expect them. That is why in an earlier post of mine I said the Bench was out of their depth as they should have thrown out the assertion that there was no known bugs. And robust is a state of mind which may or may not apply to a system but it does not mean no bugs.
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Derisory offer? Classic tactics of large entity versus the man in the street!
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Old 3rd February 2024, 10:47   #45
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Derisory offer? Classic tactics of large entity versus the man in the street!
Seems it is true, a leopard does not change it's spots. ;-)
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I have been watching the Enquiry live feed with my engineering and legal hat on. All witnesses on the Post Office side are a bunch of *******.


Not doing a proper job, full of assumptions etc.


Still many heads to fall.
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Old 3rd February 2024, 14:31   #47
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There is bugs in ALL systems. Microsoft, IBM, Linux, Unix et al. It is how they are addressed that matters as well as the users to expect them. That is why in an earlier post of mine I said the Bench was out of their depth as they should have thrown out the assertion that there was no known bugs. And robust is a state of mind which may or may not apply to a system but it does not mean no bugs.
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Agree. There will alway be bugs in complex software. A good reporting and rectification process is a must. Not recognising and doing this effectively is where the PO’s problems started.
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Old 3rd February 2024, 16:00   #48
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How do you compensate the family of a loved one who has taken their own life due to theworry and stress.It's outrageous the length of time it's taking to clear these poor people and pay them out.Governments should hang their heads in shame.As I've said before,how did it get to this stage in the first place when hundreds of of postmasters of previous good character suddenly become dishonest.It was absolutely obvious there must have been a common denominator.There was,Horizon.You couldn't make this up scandelous!
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Old 6th February 2024, 11:48   #49
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How do you compensate the family of a loved one who has taken their own life due to theworry and stress.It's outrageous the length of time it's taking to clear these poor people and pay them out.Governments should hang their heads in shame.As I've said before,how did it get to this stage in the first place when hundreds of of postmasters of previous good character suddenly become dishonest.It was absolutely obvious there must have been a common denominator.There was,Horizon.You couldn't make this up scandelous!
As MissMoppet stated, the original system was, I believe, designed to ensure absent fathers paid for their offspring. There was such a large number of "miscalculated" forced payments that the government agency scrapped the system.

I think the present government has acted as quickly as possible given the legal ramifications. Agreed it took the TV airing for it to become front bench requiring action rather than some back bencher voicing their concern to a dozen people on the comfy green seating having a snooze.

Also there is the issue that a percentage of postal staff did defraud the PO even before computerisation. So, in the stampede to clear everyone there will be the guilty getting a "free pass". I guess the "better to let one criminal go free than to convict an innocent person" criteria will have to be accepted.
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BBC Radio 4 did a weekly programme on this issue about three years ago.
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