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ssizefive · 3rd January 2017, 09:56

I am banging my head against the wall trying to get my head around towing capacities.
I had convinced myself that a 75 diesel auto saloon ( with 160 upgrade ) will not tow my new caravan but having gone online to use the outfit matching that suggests it should be ok.

The caravan is actually a 2003 abbey impression with a mass in running weight of 1250 & a max weight of 1500 - this van is not on the outfit matcher but I have selected one that is the closest - would any of you be able to offer an ideas on this for me.

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Rover & Abbey

The Rover 75 - 2.0 CDT and the Abbey GTS Vogue 516 with a laden weight of 1445 kg is a fairly good match.

83 %

1445 kg

1735 kg
80 kg

Score: 5.7

14%

Weight

weight ratio

towball limit

stability

Flat roads

speed

acceleration

5th gear

Mountains

speed

hill starts

driving

Good

No salient features

Bad

Good payload is essential
Higher revs uphill sometimes necessary

Verdict

The Rover 75 - 2.0 CDT and the Abbey GTS Vogue 516 of a laden weight of 1445 kg is an excellent combination for all journeys on all kinds of roads.
Weight

There is a small chance of snaking at higher speeds, strong side winds and thoughtless driving. Even if the combination normally feels stable, the forces by deflection side to side are great at high speed. For drivers with knowledge of, and experience in driving a caravan it is safe to drive, but proper and careful loading is still important! An electronic stability system in the car and / or on the caravan is worth considering. Flat roads
The performances of the engine of this outfit are in general more than sufficient. Under favourable conditions on motorways it is possible to drive with 60 mph in the 5th gear, by giving the engine plenty of throttle. In that case the engine runs approximately 2100 rpm. For example, in a headwind or a crossover, downshift to the 4th gear. The engine runs approximately 2800 rpm (witch is maybe more noisily than usually accustomed). Mountains
On most motorways inclines (1:20) driving is easily possible in the 3th gear with 50 mph and even full throttle with 56 mph. Hill starts are possible even on steep slopes up to 15%, if the front wheels have sufficient traction. While driving the engine has enough power on slopes of 30% to drive.

Attention: This car can easily drive much faster with the caravan than is safe. So always keep an eye on your speed!

Results

The main details in a list. Ideal for comparing different combinations with one another, for example your present with a new one.

Weight

Towing limit
1600 kg
Weight ratio
83%
(laden Caravan / laden Car)
(1445 kg / 1735 kg)

Noseweight

Towball limit
100 kg
Advise
80 kg

Stability

Score at optimal noseweight
5.7
Infuence pay load
43%

Flat roads

Top speed
75 mph (4th gear)
At headwind
68 mph
Speed in practice
68 mph (4th gear)

Acceleration

0 - 60 mph
30.9 sec. - (max. 24.5 sec.)
30 - 60 mph
23.6 sec. - (max. 17.8 sec.)
50 - 60 mph
4th gear: 12.3 sec. (max. 8.7 sec.)

Power at 60 mph

Highest (5th) gear
often useful
Gears in practice
5th gear
4th gear
Revs at 60 mph
2096
2808
Percentage between accelerator
84% - 95%
63% - 72%
Power needed at 60 mph 1770 N
over: 386 N
over: 1189 N

Motorway inclines 1:20

Speed (maximum)
48 mph - (56 mph)
In the
3th gear
Revs
3207 - (3701)
Acceleration 30 - 50 mph
5.1 sec. - (max. 20.9 sec.)
Normaly at 50 mph in the
3th gear

By revs
3290

Percentage accelerator
81%

Hill starts

Maximum incline
13.6% - 15.2%
Minimum speed (whereby power)
6 mph - (10 mph)

Mountain roads

Maximum slope driving
30%
Maximum speed on 1:8
36 mph in the 2th gear

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Details combination

You may customize the data to your own situation.
Car
Rover 75 - 2.0 CDT
Year
September 1999 - May 2005
Power
kW (116 bhp) at rpm
Torque
Nm at - rpm
Kerbweight
kg user payload kg
Tyres
/ R
Gearbox
manual with 5 gears
Towing limit
kg (towball limit kg)

Caravan
Abbey GTS Vogue 516
MIRO
kg Payload kg
MTPLM
kg
Noseweight:
kg
Height:
m. (8'7")
Overall width:
m. (7'4")
Overall body lenght:
m. (19'1")
Shipping length:
m. (23'2")
Actual gross train weight
3180 kg
Stated vehicle gross train weight
kg

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Reviews

The Rover towing a Lunar Clubman SB (1475) kg reviewed by Barry Cox:

Great tow car no problem good fuel 35mpg easy had it remaped well worth it tows a dream

The Rover towing a Elddis Odyssey 505 (1475) kg reviewed by R Mortimer:

Great tow car with my Elddis Odyssey 505, A66 & Kirby Stephen route no problem over the Pennines on auto cruise.

The Rover towing a Lunar Lexon 585 SI (1380) kg reviewed by david ellis:

the rover is more than adequate at towing the lunar. The model is a lunar solaris 3 which is not listed but has an identical spec to the lexon. I get good consumption especially when using overdrive. I have put the outfit through its paces several times on the A9 and it handles Schloct and Drumochter summits without much effort. I do not load up to 1450. we don't use awning, tv or additional furniture. The outfit was chosen purely on model preferences.

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Got it!

thanks
Steve.

3rd January 2017, 09:56	#1
ssizefive I really should get out more....... Mg Tf160 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Keighley Posts: 2,605 Thanks: 756 Thanked 749 Times in 366 Posts	Opinions required I am banging my head against the wall trying to get my head around towing capacities. I had convinced myself that a 75 diesel auto saloon ( with 160 upgrade ) will not tow my new caravan but having gone online to use the outfit matching that suggests it should be ok. The caravan is actually a 2003 abbey impression with a mass in running weight of 1250 & a max weight of 1500 - this van is not on the outfit matcher but I have selected one that is the closest - would any of you be able to offer an ideas on this for me. Outfit Matcher Towing limits User reviews Stability Rover & Abbey The Rover 75 - 2.0 CDT and the Abbey GTS Vogue 516 with a laden weight of 1445 kg is a fairly good match. 83 % 1445 kg 1735 kg 80 kg Score: 5.7 14% Weight weight ratio towball limit stability Flat roads speed acceleration 5th gear Mountains speed hill starts driving Good No salient features Bad Good payload is essential Higher revs uphill sometimes necessary Verdict The Rover 75 - 2.0 CDT and the Abbey GTS Vogue 516 of a laden weight of 1445 kg is an excellent combination for all journeys on all kinds of roads. Weight There is a small chance of snaking at higher speeds, strong side winds and thoughtless driving. Even if the combination normally feels stable, the forces by deflection side to side are great at high speed. For drivers with knowledge of, and experience in driving a caravan it is safe to drive, but proper and careful loading is still important! An electronic stability system in the car and / or on the caravan is worth considering. Flat roads The performances of the engine of this outfit are in general more than sufficient. Under favourable conditions on motorways it is possible to drive with 60 mph in the 5th gear, by giving the engine plenty of throttle. In that case the engine runs approximately 2100 rpm. For example, in a headwind or a crossover, downshift to the 4th gear. The engine runs approximately 2800 rpm (witch is maybe more noisily than usually accustomed). Mountains On most motorways inclines (1:20) driving is easily possible in the 3th gear with 50 mph and even full throttle with 56 mph. Hill starts are possible even on steep slopes up to 15%, if the front wheels have sufficient traction. While driving the engine has enough power on slopes of 30% to drive. Attention: This car can easily drive much faster with the caravan than is safe. So always keep an eye on your speed! Results The main details in a list. Ideal for comparing different combinations with one another, for example your present with a new one. Weight Towing limit 1600 kg Weight ratio 83% (laden Caravan / laden Car) (1445 kg / 1735 kg) Noseweight Towball limit 100 kg Advise 80 kg Stability Score at optimal noseweight 5.7 Infuence pay load 43% Flat roads Top speed 75 mph (4th gear) At headwind 68 mph Speed in practice 68 mph (4th gear) Acceleration 0 - 60 mph 30.9 sec. - (max. 24.5 sec.) 30 - 60 mph 23.6 sec. - (max. 17.8 sec.) 50 - 60 mph 4th gear: 12.3 sec. (max. 8.7 sec.) Power at 60 mph Highest (5th) gear often useful Gears in practice 5th gear 4th gear Revs at 60 mph 2096 2808 Percentage between accelerator 84% - 95% 63% - 72% Power needed at 60 mph 1770 N over: 386 N over: 1189 N Motorway inclines 1:20 Speed (maximum) 48 mph - (56 mph) In the 3th gear Revs 3207 - (3701) Acceleration 30 - 50 mph 5.1 sec. - (max. 20.9 sec.) Normaly at 50 mph in the 3th gear By revs 3290 Percentage accelerator 81% Hill starts Maximum incline 13.6% - 15.2% Minimum speed (whereby power) 6 mph - (10 mph) Mountain roads Maximum slope driving 30% Maximum speed on 1:8 36 mph in the 2th gear Download a fact sheet in PDF Details combination You may customize the data to your own situation. Car Rover 75 - 2.0 CDT Year September 1999 - May 2005 Power kW (116 bhp) at rpm Torque Nm at - rpm Kerbweight kg user payload kg Tyres / R Gearbox manual with 5 gears Towing limit kg (towball limit kg) Caravan Abbey GTS Vogue 516 MIRO kg Payload kg MTPLM kg Noseweight: kg Height: m. (8'7") Overall width: m. (7'4") Overall body lenght: m. (19'1") Shipping length: m. (23'2") Actual gross train weight 3180 kg Stated vehicle gross train weight kg Good information can not be free! If this site is helpful to you, please give a small contribution (for example 2,50 for every useful calculation). Thank you! Change User Payload: In the Caravan: 200 kg Caravan: 50 kg Caravan: 100 kg Caravan: 150 kg Caravan: 200 kg Caravan: 250 kg Caravan: 300 kg Caravan: 350 kg Caravan: 400 kg > In the Car: 150 kg Car: 50 kg Car: 100 kg Car: 150 kg Car: 200 kg Car: 250 kg Car: 300 kg Car: 350 kg Car: 400 kg Car: 450 kg Car: 500 kg Car: 600 kg Car: 700 kg Car: 800 kg Output in km/h or mph: Other Car: Car make Alfa Romeo Audi BMW Chevrolet Chrysler Citroen Dacia Daihatsu Dodge Fiat Ford Honda Hyundai Jaguar Jeep Kia Lancia Landrover Lexus Mazda Mercedes-Benz Mini Mitsubishi Nissan Opel Peugeot Porsche Renault Saab Seat Skoda Subaru Suzuki Toyota Vauxhall Volkswagen Volvo Model Exact model Compare with Rover 75 - 2.0 CDT Other Caravan: Caravan make Abbey Ace Adria Airstream Avondale Bailey Bessacarr Buccaneer Burstner Caravelair Carlight Coachman Compass Cristall Dethleffs Elddis Eriba (Hymer) Etrniti Fendt Fleetwood Freedom Geist Going Gypsey Hobby Hymer(Eriba) Inos Jurgens Knaus Lunar Rimor Sprite Stealth Sterckeman Sterling Swift T@B Trigano Vanmaster Venus Xplore -----Continental versions----- Avento Bergland Beyerland BIOD Bjolseth Cabby Camptrailer Carado Casara Chateau Constructam Delphin Delta Eifelland Gobanna Home Car HomeStar Ixus Kabe Kamath Kip LMC Lowlander Paul & Paula Polar Predom Sky SMV Solifer Sunlight Sun Roller Tabbert TEC Travel and Camp TravelSleeper VFW-Fokker Weinsberg Weippert Wilk Wind Ysin/Opera ---------- Caravan Trailer tent Boat trailer Horse trailer < Year Model Compare with Abbey GTS Vogue 516 Reviews The Rover towing a Lunar Clubman SB (1475) kg reviewed by Barry Cox: Great tow car no problem good fuel 35mpg easy had it remaped well worth it tows a dream The Rover towing a Elddis Odyssey 505 (1475) kg reviewed by R Mortimer: Great tow car with my Elddis Odyssey 505, A66 & Kirby Stephen route no problem over the Pennines on auto cruise. The Rover towing a Lunar Lexon 585 SI (1380) kg reviewed by david ellis: the rover is more than adequate at towing the lunar. The model is a lunar solaris 3 which is not listed but has an identical spec to the lexon. I get good consumption especially when using overdrive. I have put the outfit through its paces several times on the A9 and it handles Schloct and Drumochter summits without much effort. I do not load up to 1450. we don't use awning, tv or additional furniture. The outfit was chosen purely on model preferences. Tell other caravanners what you think of your Rover 75 - 2.0 CDT towing a Abbey GTS Vogue 516 (1445 kg). Please write your review below. 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We also share information about your use of our site with our social media, advertising and analytics partners. Got it! thanks Steve. Last edited by ssizefive; 3rd January 2017 at 10:06..