Fuel problems?

teatotty · 25th March 2017, 04:15

2004 75 1.8 connie 73000 miles.
Car normally runs beautifully.
Today car would not start, RAC came and said it was possibly fuel pump.
Car now at my local garage, will be looked at Monday, I have a courtesy car for 3 days per my RAC coverage.
Yesterday after filling up at Morrisons, later after about 10 miles driving I noticed the fuel guage had hardly moved. I stopped and after turning the ignition off and on about 4 times the petrol guage shot up and showed the correct amount in tank. I did a couple of errands no problems at all car ran beautifully.
Now, i ask, is it possible that the fuel i got was contaminated?
Perhaps someone else has had a similar problem.

SD1too · 25th March 2017, 08:13

Regarding the failure to start, it sounds as if you have fuel filter problems Anthony. There's lots of information on the forum about the self-loosening filter casing which reduces fuel pressure. Your pump won't be the problem.

The erratic gauge may be a fouled float mechanism. My advice would be to recover your car from the local garage and call out club trader Chris who is based near you in Portsmouth.

Simon

murphyv310 · 25th March 2017, 08:22

Good advice from Simon.
The filter assembly can come apart and as Simon rightly says the fuel pressure drops so the engine wont fire up. Reading between the lines many owners seem to have this issue after filling up, makes me think the petrol swirling around during filling may cause the seperation.
Look under FFS & Orange clip in the search on the top of the page when on the home page of the forum under "Forum Google search"

teatotty · 25th March 2017, 08:23

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Originally Posted by SD1too

Regarding the failure to start, it sounds as if you have fuel filter problems Anthony. There's lots of information on the forum about the self-loosening filter casing which reduces fuel pressure. Your pump won't be the problem.

The erratic gauge may be a fouled float mechanism. My advice would be to recover your car from the local garage and call out club trader Chris who is based near you in Portsmouth.

Simon

Many thanks for your reply, i will find it difficult to remove it from my local garage which i have used for the past 5 years for MOT's etc and have faith in, but i will pass on your valued suggestions to them.
Thanks again Tony.

T-Cut · 25th March 2017, 08:25

A search for FFS gives: https://cse.google.co.uk/cse?hl=en&c...ab=0&gsc.q=FFS

If it's that, you'll need to fit the Fabled Orange Clip. Get the garage to fit one or you'll soon be back.

TC

teatotty · 27th March 2017, 17:45

Just had a call from the garage. He said he might have to take the tank out to find out what is going on. Fuel pump works ok gets to pressure then goes off, but no petrol present. I told him I would try to get any suggestions of help from here. I have sent a pm to trader Chris awaiting a reply. I am stuck now.

Avulon · 27th March 2017, 17:56

The tank doesn't need to come out to be worked on.... hatches under the rear seat base give access to everything you need.

Rooney · 27th March 2017, 18:33

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Originally Posted by teatotty

Just had a call from the garage. He said he might have to take the tank out to find out what is going on.

Hmmmm.

Get it to Chris - if he is talking about removing the tank he's already out of his depth

SD1too · 27th March 2017, 19:33

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Originally Posted by teatotty

Just had a call from the garage. He said he might have to take the tank out to find out what is going on.

This is exactly why I recommended that you reclaim your car and get Chris to look at it. As Rooney correctly says, your garage is already out of its depth.

Quote:

I have sent a pm to trader Chris awaiting a reply.

Well done.

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I am stuck now.

No you're not Anthony. Chris will get back to you and you can work something out with him. Now pour yourself a glass of wine and put your feet up.

Simon

cb750chris · 27th March 2017, 19:51

Just spoken with Tony, Thanks for the recommendation Simon.

I am not 100% familiar with the insides of the fuel tank on the petrols (only been inside 1 previously)

This thread is probably all your garage should need pointing towards

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...ad.php?t=58832

As said above, the fuel tank does not need dropping on these cars to get access to the internals of the fuel tank - it can all be accessed from underneath the back seat.

There is also a post on another thread which suggests fuel could be moved from one side to the other when the fuel filter starts to separate, which could explain your funny fuel gauge readings, before the failure to start (http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4&postcount=10)

Hope you get sorted soon, but as discussed on the phone I am afraid I can't talk your garage through the job as I am not familiar with the inner workings of the petrol fuel tank, but am happy to come and have a look at this problem if your garage doesn't get anywhere with this.

(This web page should give a rough idea of what the parts inside the tank are laid out like :http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-GRID001965, but lists the orange clip as no longer available)

Best of luck
Chris

25th March 2017, 04:15	#1
teatotty Avid contributor rover 75 Connessieur Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Totton, Southampton Posts: 196 Thanks: 145 Thanked 41 Times in 23 Posts	Fuel problems? 2004 75 1.8 connie 73000 miles. Car normally runs beautifully. Today car would not start, RAC came and said it was possibly fuel pump. Car now at my local garage, will be looked at Monday, I have a courtesy car for 3 days per my RAC coverage. Yesterday after filling up at Morrisons, later after about 10 miles driving I noticed the fuel guage had hardly moved. I stopped and after turning the ignition off and on about 4 times the petrol guage shot up and showed the correct amount in tank. I did a couple of errands no problems at all car ran beautifully. Now, i ask, is it possible that the fuel i got was contaminated? Perhaps someone else has had a similar problem.

25th March 2017, 08:13	#2
SD1too Doesn't do things by halves Rover 75 2.5 Connoisseur Auto (1999) Dealer launch model. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Former Middlesex Posts: 20,344 Thanks: 1,587 Thanked 3,749 Times in 3,181 Posts	Regarding the failure to start, it sounds as if you have fuel *filter* problems Anthony. There's lots of information on the forum about the self-loosening filter casing which reduces fuel pressure. Your pump won't be the problem. The erratic gauge may be a fouled float mechanism. My advice would be to recover your car from the local garage and call out club trader Chris who is based near you in Portsmouth. Simon __________________ "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble." Sir Henry Royce.

25th March 2017, 08:22	#3
murphyv310 This is my second home Hyundai i10 998cc Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Kilmarnock Posts: 6,602 Thanks: 2,088 Thanked 2,298 Times in 1,349 Posts	Good advice from Simon. The filter assembly can come apart and as Simon rightly says the fuel pressure drops so the engine wont fire up. Reading between the lines many owners seem to have this issue after filling up, makes me think the petrol swirling around during filling may cause the seperation. Look under FFS & Orange clip in the search on the top of the page when on the home page of the forum under "Forum Google search" __________________ Cheers from Trevor MM0KJJ

27th March 2017, 17:45	#6
teatotty Avid contributor rover 75 Connessieur Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Totton, Southampton Posts: 196 Thanks: 145 Thanked 41 Times in 23 Posts	Teatotty Just had a call from the garage. He said he might have to take the tank out to find out what is going on. Fuel pump works ok gets to pressure then goes off, but no petrol present. I told him I would try to get any suggestions of help from here. I have sent a pm to trader Chris awaiting a reply. I am stuck now.

27th March 2017, 17:56	#7
Avulon This is my second home 1.8t Tourer Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tanelorn Posts: 4,830 Thanks: 956 Thanked 1,148 Times in 916 Posts	The tank doesn't need to come out to be worked on.... hatches under the rear seat base give access to everything you need. __________________ Need a T4 ?: T4 Owners Map thanks to Stevestrat ( use at your own risk) Where?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanelorn Mods/Retrofits: PCV vortex 'filter'; bluetooth; inline thermostat; reversing sensors; plenum spyhole ; headlamp washers ; Diy mp3 player replacing CD multichanger; FBH with remote; Headlamp washers; black/chrome front grille, rear blind; Xenon projectors To do: puddle lights; 2 Din cd/nav to fit; boot release button

25th March 2017, 08:25	#5
T-Cut This is my second home Rover75 and Mreg Corsa. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sumweer onat mote o'dust (Sagin) Posts: 21,752 Thanks: 341 Thanked 3,660 Times in 2,924 Posts	A search for FFS gives: https://cse.google.co.uk/cse?hl=en&c...ab=0&gsc.q=FFS If it's that, you'll need to fit the Fabled Orange Clip. Get the garage to fit one or you'll soon be back. TC

27th March 2017, 19:51	#10
cb750chris Trader Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 849 Thanks: 201 Thanked 292 Times in 200 Posts	Just spoken with Tony, Thanks for the recommendation Simon. I am not 100% familiar with the insides of the fuel tank on the petrols (only been inside 1 previously) This thread is probably all your garage should need pointing towards http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...ad.php?t=58832 As said above, the fuel tank does not need dropping on these cars to get access to the internals of the fuel tank - it can all be accessed from underneath the back seat. There is also a post on another thread which suggests fuel could be moved from one side to the other when the fuel filter starts to separate, which could explain your funny fuel gauge readings, before the failure to start (http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4&postcount=10) Hope you get sorted soon, but as discussed on the phone I am afraid I can't talk your garage through the job as I am not familiar with the inner workings of the petrol fuel tank, but am happy to come and have a look at this problem if your garage doesn't get anywhere with this. (This web page should give a rough idea of what the parts inside the tank are laid out like :http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-GRID001965, but lists the orange clip as no longer available) Best of luck Chris __________________ Now offering T4 services in the Fareham area Replacement keys programmed / supplied / cut Diesel 135 upgrade available IPK virginisation and T4 matching available Sorry, due to a big change in home circumstances, I am unable to do any large jobs at present, but can still offer evening time diagnostics. Last edited by cb750chris; 27th March 2017 at 19:54..