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My 4x4 which at normal driving speeds in summer on summer tyres doesn't understeer. In winter on summer tyres it does, but on winter tyres it doesn't. This is because the winter tyres have more grip at lower temperatures than summer tyres. None of the above scenarios has any snow.
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Well I was driving in Bosnia at -15DegC on summer tyres with no snow or ice, and they are almost exactly the same as when the temperature is +10DegC
Sounds like you are not driving appropriately for the conditions. However I will say one thing, maybe its down to the quality of tyres people are fitting.... The "lowest" quality tyre Ive ever fitted to my car was a Falken 912/914, and compared to the rubbish Ive seen fitted to ZTs, may go some way to explaining why ive never had a single issue in low temperatures with any of my cars. When Ive bought ZT's, the cheap dross fitted to the wheels has always been absolutely SHOCKING in anything damp, or cold, and would make any new winter tyre seem infinitely better. In cold weather, ANYTHING Chinese has been dreadful, the harder compounds these awful "tyre" makers use just goes like plastic in real cold temps, and the car is all over the place like its ice. However with decent brands, Ive never experienced an issue. I cant really say any more on this subject aside from the fact that people living in London fitting winter tyres is just hilarious. Last edited by T16; 23rd January 2017 at 03:12.. |
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Both have Alpin winter tyres. No cheap dross, no ill judged or inappropriate driving, no accidents or points since 1981 winter or summer. Winter tyres work. Fact. If you don't wish to admit it, fine, don't really care.
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Lets get a couple of things straight here, Winter Tyres are made of a softer compound (they have a higher silica content) that is more beneficial when temperatures are below +7'C. Now there is no legal requirement in the UK to fit them but in Germany it is Mandatory. Where I live, I agree maybe it's a waste of time but if I lived in the sticks, yes I would have them as it's only the main roads that get gritted down here and not the side roads or country lanes. But I will be looking at getting a set because I suppose it's piece of mind but that's my choice! My Summer Tyres are Goodyear Efficient Grips and the ratings in the wet is A in the Summer Time. The ratings on the tyres only relate to what the tyre is used for and time of year.
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2) The 7DegC thing is a lot of horse doo doo. Sorry, but it is....There is literally no discernable difference down to about 0DegC between a good set of winters and a good set of summers. I can certainly feel the difference at about -3 or below...when the summer rubber really starts to stiffen up though. I still maintain my stance, that 99% of people in the UK 99% of the time, winters are just a pure waste of money. The idea that people in southern England are fitting them where you barely get a flake of snow these days, is nothing short of bonkers. Even Germans with rear wheel drive Porches that only use them in the city dont bother with winter tyres. Of course the majority do fit them, but usually because they really need them outwith of a urban environment. Save you money, get an FBH (if you have a diesel!) |
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Whats the problem? Don't like the truth?!
You splashed out on Winter tyres and live in Cornwall?! )) THink people are missing my point, I never said winters do not work, I said they are pointless for 99% of the year in the UK. You might have 1-2 trips a year where you think "yeah glad I have these" and that's it. For everyone arguing about this, IM RUNNING WINTER tyres, and I actually wish I wasn't, as the weather back in Scotland has been so mild, they have been totally wasted! Back in Germany its been -4 -5 etc, which is much more like the temps needed to actually see the benefit from them. But hey, let people follow the hype like sheep, its your money! Whats next? OMG I need winter tyres because its raining?! Seriously.... I think the opinions of many are influenced by this nanny state mindset, where everyone seems to think everything in the world is dangerous.... Get a grip people. If native Germans sometimes don't even bother for cars that stay in the city, your average brit in southern England does not need winter tyres... Get over it! |
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