Caution about S/H tyres

[JoeMc]

Originally Posted by Leyland Worldmaster

Some good points however I am confident in saying that although I do hope I don't need to carry out an emergency stop or evasive action that requires optimum grip, my tyres are the best I can afford- winter and normal- and will perform better than a set of part worn tyres from any source.

Sorry, but what a load of rubbish!

As other folks have said, all other cars have part-worn tyres on, any second car bought, has part worn tyres on...

You cannot make that statement, it's nonsensical!

[Polly]

Originally Posted by mss

Well, I do enjoy a good debate, so let's continue.

Let's look at the TS numbers for Brent and Harrow. Extract from the LGA website follows.

"Brent and Harrow
Brent and Harrow Trading Standards officers, along with an expert from the National Tyre Distributors Association and charity TyreSafe, found that only two of 12 second-hand tyres bought from 12 different traders met legally acceptable standards, while at least six of them had defects that could pose a serious safety risk if they were put back on a car. Over half of the tyres inspected were over eight years old, with the oldest tyre 17 years old. Although all the traders had been visited and advised by Trading Standards officers before the test purchases were made, many had ignored the advice. Revisits to the worst traders led to two seizures of unsafe tyres. A trader is now being prosecuted as a result.

So, the sample tyres were purchased from 12 different traders. Given the size of Brent and Harrow, I would say that number probably represents a very large proportion of the used tyre traders in the area, if not the majority. With 80% of the purchased tyres being defective, I would have said that this represents a situation that wararnts caution on the part of potential purchasers. I doubt that the 12 tyres purchased by TS represented the totality of defective stock that could be purchased by members of the public in the area. Even if it did, it represents as a minimum 10 individuals at risk due to the defective used tyres sold on the market.

How can any reasonable person argue that this should not be a cause for concern?

If that is the findings of Brent and Harrow TS, then who am I to dispute their findings, but if only 2 of the 12 traders sold an acceptable product, then why is it that only one out of ten was charged with any offence?
If you wish to reRead my posts, you will find that I have never said that all part worn tyres are safe, nor that the traders dealing in such things are reputable, far from it, I think the whole tyre industry needs a good shake up. My point is that it's not the part worn tyres that are the problem, but the rogue traders that deal in such things.
Perhaps there is a reason why so many poor quality tyres are being sold on the market. Just ask yourself, what happens to a tyre when it ends its useful life? It can't go to landfill, so it has to be recycled in one way or another. They can be shredded and used for all manner of things, but even after the cost of the process, there really isn't a market for the end product.
Might it just be, that some rogue traders, would rather make a quick buck selling on defective tyres, than be faced with the problem of properly disposing of them?
Now, that being the case, surely it's better to exploit the whole useful life of a tyre, rather than recycle four, just because one is faulty.


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[steve-45]

Well .... I'm really worried now about my "part worn tyres" ......

They were new when I bought them but they are now part worn ...

[tdi90]

Funny this 2nd hand tyre debate should pop up again.
A friend and I are pondering a new little side line in part worn tyres. The owner of the garage he rents a unit from has just installed a brand new fitting machine and balancer and will let him use it FOC. We've discovered several companys in Germany offering grade A part branded worn tyres starting from €1 each but must be purchased in bulk (minimum 200).
We have the storage space, the skills can be learnt quite easily the only things holding us back are; theres quite a few firms doing the same in this area and making sure we find a proper supplier so as not to get 'stung' (its happened a few times to a few people apparently).

As for their use, I've had part worns when times were hard and had no issues. In fact I just got 2 part worn tyres for my trailer for £42 then another £10 for local fitting saving almost £70. Theres 7mm tread and they are a year old with no cracks buldges or repairs.

If you wanna pay more than half the value of your car on a set of tyres, then thats upto you folks. As is fitting part worns

[Leyland Worldmaster]

Originally Posted by JoeMc

Sorry, but what a load of rubbish!

As other folks have said, all other cars have part-worn tyres on, any second car bought, has part worn tyres on...

You cannot make that statement, it's nonsensical!

No need to apologise! This is your opinion; each to their own and all that! I buy my tyres new-my choices based on research- from reputable tyre specialists.

I will not buy part worn tyres as I cannot be sure of their history and- in my opinion- it just doesn't seem right.

I may have mentioned it before; some weeks I drive up to 430 miles.

What I do works for me; if buying part worn works for you, cool!

[Polly]

Originally Posted by tdi90

Funny this 2nd hand tyre debate should pop up again.

A friend and I are pondering a new little side line in part worn tyres. The owner of the garage he rents a unit from has just installed a brand new fitting machine and balancer and will let him use it FOC. We've discovered several companys in Germany offering grade A part branded worn tyres starting from €1 each but must be purchased in bulk (minimum 200).

We have the storage space, the skills can be learnt quite easily the only things holding us back are; theres quite a few firms doing the same in this area and making sure we find a proper supplier so as not to get 'stung' (its happened a few times to a few people apparently).



As for their use, I've had part worns when times were hard and had no issues. In fact I just got 2 part worn tyres for my trailer for £42 then another £10 for local fitting saving almost £70. Theres 7mm tread and they are a year old with no cracks buldges or repairs.



If you wanna pay more than half the value of your car on a set of tyres, then thats upto you folks. As is fitting part worns

It's not that I know a lot about the tyre industry, other than living next door to a recycling centre.
I would imagine your biggest headache would be the disposing of old tyres, in the longer term. Plenty of people are willing to take old tyres away, at a cost, but few have a reliable market for the end product. The yard near me baled them expecting them to be used for all sorts of engineering projects, but in the end has ended up with a yard full of useless tyre bales, and as a result has lost his licence to collect them. A real catch 22 situation, he needs more cash to reprocess them, but because he can no longer collect them, no cash coming in to fund it.
I would suspect that sooner rather than later, the import of used tyres will be banned.


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[tdi90]

Originally Posted by Polly

It's not that I know a lot about the tyre industry, other than living next door to a recycling centre.
I would imagine your biggest headache would be the disposing of old tyres, in the longer term. Plenty of people are willing to take old tyres away, at a cost, but few have a reliable market for the end product. The yard near me baled them expecting them to be used for all sorts of engineering projects, but in the end has ended up with a yard full of useless tyre bales, and as a result has lost his licence to collect them. A real catch 22 situation, he needs more cash to reprocess them, but because he can no longer collect them, no cash coming in to fund it.
I would suspect that sooner rather than later, the import of used tyres will be banned.


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Yes, tyre disposal may be an issue. Although theres always the selling on eBay option so no need for fitting. May never come to anything yet as we need a reliable supplier first.
Looking at an outlay of around £350 each with all costs covered.

[bl52krz]

So you are at last admitting that it's not the tyres? It's the rogue traders that are at fault? But in other of your posts, you are saying that there is nothing wrong with second hand tyres? Now come on, which is it? And one more thing. Are you telling me that you put/would use second hand tyres on a 260 se?. If you do, you are .without doubt a danger to yourself, but more to the point, a danger to me and everyone else on the road

Originally Posted by Leyland Worldmaster

No need to apologise! This is your opinion; each to their own and all that! I buy my tyres new-my choices based on research- from reputable tyre specialists.

I will not buy part worn tyres as I cannot be sure of their history and- in my opinion- it just doesn't seem right.

I may have mentioned it before; some weeks I drive up to 430 miles.

What I do works for me; if buying part worn works for you, cool!

I probably do, on average, between 1,000 miles and 3,000 miles a year on the continent in a year,around an average of about 80 mph. Would you like to do a 500-750 miles at around that speed on tyres that you have no history of? Second hand tyres, that have been banged up gutters are the ones that are the most dangerous, don't ask me why, ask the experts. Watch a clever young lady bang up the gutter over the road from where I live , taking her 2 children to primary school. I heard the bang ,and looked to see the rear wheel being banged up the gutter also. She took the children to school and came back to a flat front tyre. No spare. Evidently called a tyre company, got no breakdown cover I suppose. I went over and spoke to said Young lady, quite good looking, Hhmm . Hour and a half later, tyre company turned up, took wheel off, and then pronounced to the young lady, that the tyre was no good. Being a nosey so and so, partly on behalf of lady, I asked what was the matter with it if it was no good. Pity I did not keep the tyre to show the doubters on here. He showed the lady the tyre and she could not see anything wrong with it, and neither could i. He asked me to come and have a look in the van at the tyre. He more or less spread the tyre right out where the tyre had been bounced up the gutter, and asked me to feel along where there was a very slight mark on the inside of the tyre .You could feel that the wires had either broken or misformed. When I asked how he thought it had happened, he asked if it had been driven up the gutter at speed. The young one said no, 'I only came up gently'. I pointed out that the one of the reasons I had come over was just to be nosey, and said that the young one had probably hit the gutter at around 15 mph. ' yes that is just about right' tyre fitter said. They don't realise how much damage that can be done doing that. He then changed the tyre for a new one, for which she complained
I'm mad, and said that her partner would go mad about it.After she had gone, I spoke with the tyre fitter and listened to some of the jobs he had gone out to, and guess what, he said that he could have vulcanised a patch on it, and then some time later it could have blown out within a few miles. So, my question to all is, if the fitter had not been so perfect at his job, the young lady could have been injured, dead, along with other people. My question is,'how would you know'if you bought a tyre that (a) had been banged up a gutter but not gone down, or had the structural damage that I described. Please don't tell me that you would trust the supplier of that second hand tyre to tell you, even care, that it was damaged. If you want to trust second hand possibly damaged tyres, then I feel sorry for you. Bye bye.

[Tim_Burgess]

We've changed both our "dailies" in the last year. Mine came with 2 brand new Chinese ditchfinders (I checked the wet grip rating) on the front and a mix of new Avon and barely legal Continental on the back.

Having sourced a matching spare wheel and ditched the space saver, I put the Avon in as the spare and replaced both rears with new Good Years. As soon as funds permitted I replaced the Chinese tyres on the front with Good years too. It feels like a different car.

Mrs B's car came with 4 brand new tyres fitted for the lovely shiny new MOT it had when we picked it up. Yes, they're Chinese tyres but I went online and checked their noise and wet grip ratings and they were surprisingly good, so they will stay. Certainly they seem fine in the 2000 or so miles we've done so far.

Not all Chinese tyres are rubbish, some are pretty good. However, it pays to check. Sure, when you buy a used car, you get used tyres generally; but it doesn't take much to check the tread and side walls for damage. Would I fit part-worn tyres where I didn't know the history? No, I wouldn't. Not out of any high-minded attitude but for my own peace of mind.

[Neil1]

I have had many different types of tyres fitted, from the cheap and nasty to the best.
Even had re-moulds back some years ago now, the only problem with them was they wore out quick.
These days I have decent tyres fitted, but I do save my pennies to buy them.