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[ssizefive]

I am banging my head against the wall trying to get my head around towing capacities.
I had convinced myself that a 75 diesel auto saloon ( with 160 upgrade ) will not tow my new caravan but having gone online to use the outfit matching that suggests it should be ok.

The caravan is actually a 2003 abbey impression with a mass in running weight of 1250 & a max weight of 1500 - this van is not on the outfit matcher but I have selected one that is the closest - would any of you be able to offer an ideas on this for me.








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Rover & Abbey


The Rover 75 - 2.0 CDT and the Abbey GTS Vogue 516 with a laden weight of 1445 kg is a fairly good match.

83 %

1445 kg 1735 kg
80 kg

Score: 5.7

14%

Weight

weight ratio
towball limit
stability

Flat roads

speed
acceleration
5th gear

Mountains

speed
hill starts
driving

Good

• No salient features

Bad

• Good payload is essential
• Higher revs uphill sometimes necessary

Verdict


The Rover 75 - 2.0 CDT and the Abbey GTS Vogue 516 of a laden weight of 1445 kg is an excellent combination for all journeys on all kinds of roads.
Weight

There is a small chance of snaking at higher speeds, strong side winds and thoughtless driving. Even if the combination normally feels stable, the forces by deflection side to side are great at high speed. For drivers with knowledge of, and experience in driving a caravan it is safe to drive, but proper and careful loading is still important! An electronic stability system in the car and / or on the caravan is worth considering. Flat roads
The performances of the engine of this outfit are in general more than sufficient. Under favourable conditions on motorways it is possible to drive with 60 mph in the 5th gear, by giving the engine plenty of throttle. In that case the engine runs approximately 2100 rpm. For example, in a headwind or a crossover, downshift to the 4th gear. The engine runs approximately 2800 rpm (witch is maybe more noisily than usually accustomed). Mountains
On most motorways inclines (1:20) driving is easily possible in the 3th gear with 50 mph and even full throttle with 56 mph. Hill starts are possible even on steep slopes up to 15%, if the front wheels have sufficient traction. While driving the engine has enough power on slopes of 30% to drive.
Attention: This car can easily drive much faster with the caravan than is safe. So always keep an eye on your speed!

Results

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Weight

Towing limit
1600 kg
Weight ratio
83%
(laden Caravan / laden Car)
(1445 kg / 1735 kg)

Noseweight

Towball limit
100 kg
Advise
80 kg

Stability

Score at optimal noseweight
5.7
Infuence pay load
43%

Flat roads

Top speed
75 mph (4th gear)
At headwind
68 mph
Speed in practice
68 mph (4th gear)

Acceleration

0 - 60 mph
30.9 sec. - (max. 24.5 sec.)
30 - 60 mph
23.6 sec. - (max. 17.8 sec.)
50 - 60 mph
4th gear: 12.3 sec. (max. 8.7 sec.)

Power at 60 mph

Highest (5th) gear
often useful
Gears in practice
5th gear
4th gear
Revs at 60 mph
2096
2808
Percentage between accelerator
84% - 95%
63% - 72%
Power needed at 60 mph 1770 N
over: 386 N
over: 1189 N

Motorway inclines 1:20

Speed (maximum)
48 mph - (56 mph)
In the
3th gear
Revs
3207 - (3701)
Acceleration 30 - 50 mph
5.1 sec. - (max. 20.9 sec.)
Normaly at 50 mph in the
3th gear

By revs
3290

Percentage accelerator
81%


Hill starts

Maximum incline
13.6% - 15.2%
Minimum speed (whereby power)
6 mph - (10 mph)

Mountain roads

Maximum slope driving
30%
Maximum speed on 1:8
36 mph in the 2th gear


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Details combination


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Car
Rover 75 - 2.0 CDT
Year
September 1999 - May 2005
Power
kW (116 bhp) at rpm
Torque
Nm at - rpm
Kerbweight
kg user payload kg
Tyres
/ R
Gearbox
manual with 5 gears
Towing limit
kg (towball limit kg)


Caravan
Abbey GTS Vogue 516
MIRO
kg Payload kg
MTPLM
kg
Noseweight:
kg
Height:
m. (8'7")
Overall width:
m. (7'4")
Overall body lenght:
m. (19'1")
Shipping length:
m. (23'2")
Actual gross train weight
3180 kg
Stated vehicle gross train weight
kg





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Got it!


thanks
Steve.

[Georgies Dad]

Originally Posted by ssizefive

I am banging my head against the wall trying to get my head around towing capacities.
I had convinced myself that a 75 diesel auto saloon ( with 160 upgrade ) will not tow my new caravan but having gone online to use the outfit matching that suggests it should be ok.

The caravan is actually a 2003 abbey impression with a mass in running weight of 1250 & a max weight of 1500 - this van is not on the outfit matcher but I have selected one that is the closest - would any of you be able to offer an ideas on this for me.

http://www.towcar.info/outfitmatch.php


thanks
Steve.

Steve,I have been pulling my previous van with my tourer for 4 years,the van s mtlp was 1510 .

The rover can tow up 1600 so it is within the towing weight guide of Rover

The 85% is just a guide it is not law

[Georgies Dad]

Steve,my Rover actually pulls better than my Freelander albeit the same engine but geared different.

[reworht]

My previous 'van was around 1480kg and the Rover (WITHOUT the 160 upgrade, so it was nominally 135bhp) pulled it no problem whatsoever - to North of Inverness and the Southernmost parts of Cornwall.

The Rover is quoted as having a kerbweight of 1559kg and my understanding is that the laden weight (MTPLM) of the 'van must not exceed that figure. The "1600kg towing capacity" figure quoted by MGR relates only to the car's physical ability to pull the caravan under certain circumstances.
In theory, you could pull a caravan weighing 1600kg, in line with the figure quoted by MGR, but if a weighbridge check revealed that the weight of the 'van exceeded the car's kerbweight - you could still be prosecuted - daft innt?!?

As Steve has said, the "85% match" is purely advisory - it has no legal standing whatsoever. It is often referred to as "advisory for beginners"

[rrobson]

Originally Posted by reworht;2425511
In [I

theory[/I], you could pull a caravan weighing 1600kg, in line with the figure quoted by MGR, but if a weighbridge check revealed that the weight of the 'van exceeded the car's kerbweight - you could still be prosecuted - daft innt?!?

Don't know if that's strictly true, lots of cars have a higher capacity than their kerb weight. Take my 4x4 for example, 2000kg kerb weight, 650kg payload and 3000kg towing capacity. Why would a car be rated for a higher capacity if it were illegal? Can't find anything other than advised limits on internet.
And what about arctics? They tow much heavier trailers than they weigh.

Also be careful towing with 160 map, my gearbox (also auto) developed a few peculiar noises after lots of towing

[Christopher Price]

I think you've answered your own question, as the Rover has a maximum towing weight (with a braked trailer) of 1,600Kg, as long as you keep under that figure, you'll be fine. As others have said, the 85% rule is only advisory from the Caravan Club I believe.

[ssizefive]

Thanks for all the replies everyone - I probably spent too much time studying this, but just wanted convincing that I was going to be ok from a legal point of view.
I am towing with my launch car at the moment but don't want to use it with the new van. My brother has decided to sell my old diesel so I thought I may as well have it back to use as a day to day car but didn't want to buy it back to find it couldn't handle the new caravan.

thanks again
Steve.