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11th January 2015, 14:01 | #1 |
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ZT V6 (Poor Running) Crankcase Breather / Intake Stripdown
hi guys , I'm Back On With Trying To Sort Out a problem I Have Had Now For 2 Years With No Success
Now some of you Know I've been quite Ill Over The Past Year and I've Not Been In a Position To Use The Car Never mind Fix it Basically The Car Has a Very Low Level Misfire On Bank 1 across all 3 Cylinders, This is Only Seen By a T4 Which Bigruss was Kind Enough To Look at for me at a meet Back When I Had the Car but You Can feel The Misfire At idle and at around 1200rpm,its Underpowered, It Uses Way Too Much Fuel, I Get about 15-20 miles to a tenner, which varies dependant on journeys, but about 150-180 miles to a full tank. I have never managed 200 yet I Do Not Get Any Kind of Fault Codes or EML And its never got any better or any worse , its been constant from day 1 Nothing I've Done So Far Has Changed This Problem in anyway Its had 5 Sets of plugs, coil Packs Changed, All Of The Intake manifold related gaskets and Rubber Seals replaced as we assumed an air leak but no change, Thermostat, Cam belts were Done By Andi Willi The Intake Manifold itself is in good nick no rattles, cleaned it out as well as the throttle you know all the usual suspects but no change I checked for an Earth That Bigruss suggested and That is sound, engine loom wiring looking for corrosion etc, cant find anything out of place so I've managed to get one of these Bluetooth readers and using the torque app I've got some o2 sensor reading id like you to look at I don't know what they mean but I'm hoping one of you Super Humans will know and hopefully point me in the right direction so here goes, these tested hot on idle only 02 sensor 1 bank 1 ranges from 0.08v to 0.825v(Constantly Changing) Short Term Fuel Trim Ranges From 1.5%-4.6% 02 sensor 2 Bank 1 ranges from 0.2v to 0.4v (But This is Mainly 0.2) Its Pretty Static) Short Term Fuel Trim is -0.79 and this doesn't move at all 02 sensor 1 bank 2 ranges from 0.14v to 0.83v(Constantly Changing) Short Term Fuel Trim Ranges From -13.29% to 7.6% Now I've no idea what these What These Should Be So Any Help Would Be super, as I'm at a total loss as to what this problem is If These Readings are Correct Then Suggestions as to What to look For Next are Very Welcome lol Thanks Guys
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11th January 2015, 14:19 | #2 |
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Hi Kev.,
You haven't checked your VIS actuators, power linkage and balance flap then? Have the crankcase breather pinholes been cleared of carbon (one in each camshaft cover)? Simon
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11th January 2015, 14:25 | #3 |
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hi yes vis motors are a problem, but I was unaware they would cause this problem
and no ive not cleared out crankcase breathers, replaced the pipe work but ive not been inside the cam covers
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Yes, when the balance flap sticks half way (usually accompanied by actuator failure) it seriously affects engine performance and doesn't do much for fuel consumption either because the driver tries to compensate by flexing the right foot.
It's also worth removing the power actuator to check that Mr. Previous Owner hasn't ripped out the valve linkage. Another club member has discovered this to his horror. Quote:
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stocktake and reebs have tested the car in the past, and the first time both didn't work the seconds time 1 didn't work lol
the guts are still in the manifold and they appear to operate well, but I did have 2 motors working briefly at one point and apart from making it go faster on acceleration it didn't affect the misfire the breather I didn't even know about so ill have to check them out, the pipes I changed and fitted a brass t piece as the original was broken, i also fitted a catch tank at that time too, but i never knew there was a filter in the cam cover How Likely is it that these filters could be causing my problem ??? because unless im mistaken that's a complete strip down of everything ive already replaced manifold side or, as the misfire is only on the front bank is it just the front bank one i should be interested in ? Just to Add the car has done around 45,000 like this its never got any worse not has it got any better during that time the only thing that has been a constant repair is the catalytic converter, which im now on my 4th as the unburnt fuel is burning them out other than that it runs the same as it did day 1
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At least you've narrowed it down to the left hand bank. I'm afraid that I don't have a quick answer for you. I guess you're going to have to rely on basic fault-finding logic with this one. You've ruled out the sparking plugs and the ignition coils. A valve timing error is possible on one bank only. I suppsoe you could try a compression gauge on each cylinder to see if that produces a clue. Regarding my advice on the crankcase breather system, the left-hand bank is easy to check so why not do it. There are two wire mesh filters in the cam cover. They'll be discoloured, but if they're choked with gunge then clean them in a suitable solvent or renew them. The pinhole is between the filter and the smaller diameter tube to the intake system. When replacing the cam cover, observe the torque setting for the screws. There are about sixteen of them, and there's a specified tightening sequence. If you do decide to go down this route, please let us know how you get on. Good luck. Simon
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You've got some good pictures there which should go a long way to helping other v6 owners.
As for your injector seals, if you're referring to the upper seals that fit in to the fuel rail they're readily available on eBay and it is very easy to trap and damage these seals when refitting the fuel rail. Rik.
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Thanks, ive already got the seal kit, ive just ordered the injector, ive got manifold seals and gaskets coming from dmgrs so parts wise im now pretty good, or rather will be when they turn up next week lol
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Part number is MKD 000 010L Simon
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Good pictures, thanks for taking the time to show us
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