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Old 25th April 2017, 13:34   #21
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where did this post come from? I have not seen a previous post about not using the brakes
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For clarity this was my own mis-understanding for the OP asking if the minimum cruise speed could be lowered. The actuality being that it's not to avoid brake at all: but rather to be able to better concentrate on the road ahead in relaxed manner without necessitating frequent checks of the speedometer.
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Old 25th April 2017, 17:17   #22
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You should maybe Re-acquaint yourself with being able to judge your speed to a reasonable of acccuracy without having to continually refer to the speedometer. (just practice) - one check should be all it needs.
Reasonable is not good enough for me. One check will get your initial speed down to the limit, but more additional checks will be required as you progress. It is very difficult for anyone to maintain there speed within a few percent, without frequent checks. I would rather I didn't have to do that so I use the facilities made available to me.

I used to teach by without warning, covering the speedo then invite whom ever I was teaching to tell me their speed. I used to do similar with the mirror and ask them to describe what was following.

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Nice to know that you are still concentrating on the road.


Mmmm, what else might I be doing? I have managed 55 years and millions of miles so far without any accidents and my driving was rated 100% when last tested to the highest standard, so I must be doing something right?

Between times, I constantly rate my own driving standard and replay video of my driving.

I still say - use every device your vehicle offers, which allows you to concentrate more on the road.
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Old 25th April 2017, 19:32   #23
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I also find that 20MPH is extremely difficult to judge accurately. We are very used to driving at 30MPH and over but 20MPH seems so slow that you will automatically creep up. With the magical 10% allowance at 70MPH means that you can have a larger freedom (well, 77MPH) than you can at 20MPH, so your "allowance" would be 22MPH.

Having checked my speed with a GPS speed rating the Rover is spot on but my Prius is 10% slower, so I can get by setting the cruise control at 25MPH on the Prius, but not on the Rover
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Old 25th April 2017, 19:55   #24
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Just to note once again that you should really not be surprised if you get prosecuted or ticketed for any amount over the speed limit. It's a limit, not a starting point for some arcane calculation that you need to go through or memorise the result of for each limit that you pass through. Granted there's often a little leeway given that won't result in enforcement it shouldn't be relied upon.
To the OP.........an apology in advance.

To you Avulon:

I certainly do not need you to tell me how to drive thank you very much & after 37yrs driving & no endorsements, I consider I've done ok!
Just who the hell do you think you are?
I consider myself to be a very safe & careful driver.
It is extremely difficult to keep to 20mph & I seem to spend more time watching my speedo than actually watching the road & it's surroundings.
I do not believe I am on my own here.
I also do not believe for one minute that you do or have always stuck to the EXACT speed limit.

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Old 25th April 2017, 20:23   #25
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I'll be honest I do find that people who've been driving for '50 years with no accidents etc' or whatever can't actually moderate their speed to 20mph without needing the car to do it slightly worrying. Yes 20mph feels very slow but seriously are you people actually saying you can't manage it without the car doing it for you?

How do you manage other speed limits? surely it's exactly the same principle
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Old 25th April 2017, 21:36   #26
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I have to say that the only time I use cruise control is on the motorway.
I wouldn't use it on any other road but that's just my personal choice.
Maybe drivers who have been driving for quite a number of years at 30mph find it harder to stick to the newer 20mph limit than newer/younger drivers, I don't know.
I know one thing for sure, my cars seem happier doing 30 than 20.
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Old 25th April 2017, 21:58   #27
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To the OP.........an apology in advance.

To you Avulon:

I certainly do not need you to tell me how to drive thank you very much & after 37yrs driving & no endorsements, I consider I've done ok!
Just who the hell do you think you are?
I consider myself to be a very safe & careful driver.
It is extremely difficult to keep to 20mph & I seem to spend more time watching my speedo than actually watching the road & it's surroundings.
I do not believe I am on my own here.
I also do not believe for one minute that you do or have always stuck to the EXACT speed limit.
I'm far from telling anyone how to drive. I neither claim to have always stuck to the EXACT speed limit either (you don't have to, you are allowed to drive slower you know.)

My only concern was that some people appear to think that it's OK to push the speed limits deliberately i.e. limit +x% is ok - no, it's not: it's breaking the speed limit: don't be surprised if you get caught. If you've managed 37 years with no endorsements then fine - just don't think that it's ok to do 22mph in a 20 zone (addition : last comment aimed at those repeating such myths and not at mh007 ).

Me? I'd rather keep my speed within the speed limit in these very low limit areas by making sure to be BELOW the limit and not trying to be at the limit. That way I've no need to constantly check the speedometer and can give more of my attention to the other road users, pedestrians, coppers with speed guns, gatso cameras etc...
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Old 26th April 2017, 11:20   #28
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Anyway,
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There is nothing in the standard T4 software to allow the minimum cruise engage speed to be lowered.
I have not yet found a way to lower the enable speed.
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I'll be honest I do find that people who've been driving for '50 years with no accidents etc' or whatever can't actually moderate their speed to 20mph without needing the car to do it slightly worrying. Yes 20mph feels very slow but seriously are you people actually saying you can't manage it without the car doing it for you?

How do you manage other speed limits? surely it's exactly the same principle
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Yes I can hold my speed at roughly 20mph, but despite my experience on the road I do find it occupies a considerable amount of my concentration to do so. I personally would rather my concentration was on the road and its potential hazards, than on making regular checks on my speed. These limits are set at 20 for a good reason - that of there being many more hazards to be dealt with, it needs your full attention on the road, not on the speedo.

Simple - you get your speed to the correct speed and press a button, you can then keep your eyes and your attention fully on the road and cover your brake pedal with your right foot.
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There is nothing in the standard T4 software to allow the minimum cruise engage speed to be lowered.
I have not yet found a way to lower the enable speed.
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Likely it is a matter of - the ECU receives pulses from the wheel and the ECU cannot reliably deal with such a low pulse rate reliably and control the throttle well enough to hold a lower speed. Despite the way it might seem, an ECU can only deal with one thing at one time.
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