Hp Fuel Pump Removal Timing Tool??

[grossebaby]

Hello all, some may remember I have had leak problems on my Bosch high pressure fuel pump. I now know a lot more, BMW say it is caused by rust under the plates (3 off on pump) and is a known problem on the M47 engine.

I may need to remove the pump for refurb, to do this you either remove the engine, which I don't want to have done, or get a special but expensive tool to do the job in situ. The tool to my understanding
keeps the timing all in check while the pump is out.

The crux of the matter is does anyone know someone or some garage who has the tool either to do the job or to lend it/rent it out? I am in Halifax West Yorkshire.

In addition, I am sure others will get this problem or indeed other issues that are pump out jobs and it might be sensible to have a directory of tool holders (no not that tool) in the country.

For interest 04 facelift model CDTi 43000 miles. Not good at that age and mileage!!

[GreyGhost]

Have you contacted Lates he is based in Rugby West Midlands. May not be feasible for you to get there though.

[grossebaby]

I am told the pump needs a refurb to replace seals, might take days?

[Keith]

At £45 I would just go and buy one then sell it afterwards
http://www.justoffbase.co.uk/Diesel-Injection-Pump-Remover-Sprocket-Retainer-BMW-M47-M57-VS4553-Sealey

[grossebaby]

Now that looks promising, I believe BMW want an arm and two legs.

[grossebaby]

Is this the one that you can leave engine in vehicle though?

[grossebaby]

Just wondered, how much is a new pump?

[Keith]

Is this the one that you can leave engine in vehicle though?

Yes it is
There is no refereence to removing the engine in the workshop manual

[MGOracle]

I'm sure we've been through this 1000 times now.

That is the tool yes, however, it is uncertain if it directly reflects the M47R unit due to the opposed mounting brackets of the engine itself.

Remember, our engines are transversely mounted.

New HP Pumps are £400, £300 from Bosch on an exchange basis, £250 refurbed or you can have the one I have sat here which has just been refurbsihed for £175.

[grossebaby]

Thanks for the offer, but I am afraid I will have to get sorted this end, £300 exchange sounds good to me, where do you get one? The local factors or a Bosch specialist?

Car is a company car, bought on basis it was good value, I always try my best to fix it myself or at least economically as there was some argument about no warranty when I wanted it, so I take some responsibility for sorting any repairs on a I made the bed so I lie in it basis. So far she has been good to me but I see large bills ahead but only for service items.

Just for clarification, you appear to be saying it may be engine dropped slightly/out to use this tool on the Rover/MG due to engine being the wrong way round (my mechanic say this everytime he sees it, he just sold his 320D and loved that but is a little wary of my mg) Pity the pdf files on the link have nothing on them as that may help.

[grossebaby]

With all these comments does anyone know of a different tool that is for the MG/Rover cars rather than a cover all for the M47. Maybe try the local LandRover dealer?

[MGOracle]

No, 100% it CAN be done WITHOUT removing the engine or even having to support it with a hoist.

What I am not 100% sure on though, is whether the same tool for the BMW M47 is the same as for the MG M47R due to the engine mount that is closely situated near the HP pump. It may be a different tool.

From what Ron was saying, the MG club in Cambridge???? have this tool and might be willing to hire it out.

Reference the actual HP pump. The exchange units are from Bosch specialists only. They weigh a ton so expect some carriage charges on top of the £300.

Would you like to try my one? I can post it to you. If it works out OK then you are fixed, if not, send it back. It's one less thing eliminated then.

[grossebaby]

Hmm hire, sounds interesting. BMW told works mechanic it was engine out, he has since gone for a lie down. Work will pay to fix problem it is just I like to keep it simple and cheap, heavens I'd do it myself if it was my car but no point in paying a cut to HMTreasury if I fix everything myself, although I spent last Christmas squirting Dot 4 behind the dash to blead the clutch master.

My thing is would need receipt for any part and of course guarantee so for them new/exch will be the way to go. Your kind offer almost makes me wish I was doing the job.

It is interesting I like to work on cars, House DIY does my head in and I have been doing our house for the last 1 1/2 years and leaving my 2 Rover SD1's (a V8-S and a 3500SE) alone. I would really like to get the spanners out again on them or the ZT, sadly time does not permit, and SWMBO means the SD's have to go. Luckily I will be swapping the two for another SD1 Vitesse but hopefully in less need of work just ongoing TLC.

[grossebaby]

Just wondering, mechanic has suggested that as it is probably due to a little rust opening up the leak as per BMW, spraying with WD40 for a week and brushing obvious rust away then trying to tighten the bolts just a smidgen, saves a lot of work if it works.

Clutching at straws or good idea?

[Roverron]

Ian at The MG Owners Club may be able to tell you if the MGR one is different from the BMW tool. 01954 234001

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Ron

[Keith]

Well the pictures of the MGR tool in Rave look exactly the same as the Sealey tool

[grossebaby]

New HP Pumps are £400, £300 from Bosch on an exchange basis, £250 refurbed or you can have the one I have sat here which has just been refurbsihed for £175.

Where exactly have other people bought? Been quoted £312 plus vat for exchange(or at least i think it was exch) from local Bosch diesel place, sounds pricey to me. Still hoping to tweak the nuts and close the gap but think it will probably be clutching at straws.

They reckoned they had done seals on one of these before for £150 not including removal of pump, and did say not to be too downhearted, nissan micra diesel pump £2000, most vauxhalls £800plus.