Condensation

[Kennyeth]

On these cold mornings, especialy when we have frost I have lots of condensation inside on front screen.
Both cars have dry interiors, am I alone in this or are there other owners of 75`s that get this?
I cannot remember it being so bad in other cars I have owned in last 50 years???
Ken.

[milleplod]

My 75 does seem worse in that respect than other cars I've owned. Everything's dry (carpets, plenum, pollen filter etc). It mists up more than our Espace, which has acres more glass than the Rover - in the current cold/damp weather, as soon as I switch off the aircon, the windows start to mist up, and when there was a frost a couple of days ago, the inside of the screen was wet through. The aircon didn't touch that, I had to use a cloth!

I don't see it as a 'problem' as such, I can just leave the aircon on, but I do wonder why its so prone to it. :shrug:

Pete

[SD1too]

... in the current cold/damp weather, as soon as I switch off the aircon, the windows start to mist up ...
You're not alone Pete and this has been discussed before. My own theory is that it cannot help having the pollen filter located outside the dry passenger compartment. Even with a fully draining plenum chamber, in wet or humid conditions the filter material is bound to absorb some of that moisture which will then be carried through in the airflow and condense on the windscreen. I deduced this after renewing the pollen filter and the misting effect disappeared ... for a while. ;)

Simon

[Kennyeth]

My 75 does seem worse in that respect than other cars I've owned. Everything's dry (carpets, plenum, pollen filter etc). It mists up more than our Espace, which has acres more glass than the Rover - in the current cold/damp weather, as soon as I switch off the aircon, the windows start to mist up, and when there was a frost a couple of days ago, the inside of the screen was wet through. The aircon didn't touch that, I had to use a cloth!

I don't see it as a 'problem' as such, I can just leave the aircon on, but I do wonder why its so prone to it. :shrug:

Pete

It`s more a pest than a problem as you say.
If others respond to this then let us know what you use to soak it up off the glass, I`m using a half roll of kitchen tissue (Plenty) squshed flat.
I bought a microfibre mitt to try out......not used that yet.
Ken.

[milleplod]

I'd toyed with the idea of putting a container of desiccant in the car...Wilkos sell some from memory. That might do the trick.

Pete

[pab]

Ventilation flaps close on the ATC when the ignition is switched off. This means little circulation of air enters the car. As soon as started the condensation soon disperses.

Not a lot you can do to sort this, we all suffer from the problem. Just make sure no water enters the car, the usual checks will keep this at bay..

[Lotaskin]

Ventilation flaps close on the ATC when the ignition is switched off. This means little circulation of air enters the car. As soon as started the condensation soon disperses.

Not a lot you can do to sort this, we all suffer from the problem. Just make sure no water enters the car, the usual checks will keep this at bay..
Also always have the blower on and use recycled air to a minimum. The air flow through the car helps to remove moisture.

[wuzerk]

On these cold mornings, especialy when we have frost I have lots of condensation inside on front screen.
Both cars have dry interiors, am I alone in this or are there other owners of 75`s that get this?
I cannot remember it being so bad in other cars I have owned in last 50 years???
Ken.
as stated, a common problem. I have tried everything to stop this including two large bags of silica without success. My son has recently recommended this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121438148395?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT and, so far, it has performed very well for both of our 75s. You can run the check for your air temperature control system by following this:
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=162975 which will tell you if any of the flaps are not closing as they should.

[dadragon]

kennyeth, "I`m using a half roll of kitchen tissue" I always keep a roll in the glove box it is the quickest way to get rid of the wet from the screen, I never use recirculation as your just shifting the moisture around the car. I also have a pad on the rear parcel shelf with crystals in that my old Mum gave me (she bought 2 and has one in her classic mini) I can't remember what's in the pad but you can see them on e-bay and such, they remove a ridiculous amount of moisture from the air and when they get too heavy you take it in the house and leave it on top a radiator for a few hours until all the moistures gone then put it back in the car, they work a treat!!!. I'm not sure our cars are any more prone to damp than others although my 25 TDI was more wet inside than my 75 (that's where I first used the pad) but that maybe because it's a smaller car
and the moisture has less room to move. One tip that deffo works is to leave your windows open for the last 5 minutes of your journey so the temperature is equalized to the outside and some of the moisture inside goes out the window.
Regards DaDragon :}
wuzerk thank you yes it is silica

[T-Cut]

My theory is it's due to the aircon system. If the aircon is used year round, then the evaporator chamber is saturated year round. That provides the initial charge of saturated air to enter the cab when the ignition's turned on. Inevitably, this excess moisture condenses on the cold windscreen. I've found that if the aircon is turned off permanently, so the evaporator system dries out completely, the screen misting is minimal.

TC

[Kennyeth]

Interesting replies, I have ordered the one Wuzerk mentioned:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121438148395?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
At least now I know I am not alone on these wet windows :}
All ideas and methods welcome.
Ken.

[coolguy]

This problem does seem worse in our cars than other makes, particularly this month, but the best solution I have found is a "Car Dehumidifier", sold by Hamilton Group. Bought them at the NEC Classic Show, and at £11 they are excellent. They even have an indicator to tell you when to stick it into the microwave for 6 minutes!

Their site is: www.hamiltongrouponline.com
Phone: 0118 973 7300.

[Steve1966]

This is a strange one to me. I use my car daily, weekdays at 6.30 am when its as damp / cold as its going to get. I don't have any condensation issues. I hit the demist button for the first 2 mins or so just in case but rarely have fog on the screen let alone water (even this past week when the weather has been awful). My car is March 2000. Maybe its a sealing issue if predominantly on later cars? or is it more evident on diesels with longer warm up times?

[dadragon]

Steve1966, " My car is March 2000. Maybe its a sealing issue if predominantly on later cars? or is it more evident on diesels with longer warm up times?"
Not so Steve, my wife's CDTI Connoisseur 54 plate keeps dry and I don't understand why because she always takes a damn umbrella everywhere she goes, and leaves it in the car all day while at work soaking wet!!. She just chucks it on the back seat, leather at that and doesn't give a care!!!. I guess we should all take a wet umbrella and plonk it on the back seat, works for the wife.? :shrug:
Regards DaDragon

[iandux]

Just glad that I'm not the only one experiencing this.....

.....was getting ready to lift the back seat, expecting to find a small lake beneath:eek::eek::eek:

[DMGRS]

As mentioned, water ingress is the most likely cause - and it doesn't take a saturated carpet or full lake in the boot to steam everything up badly. Even a small leak from the rear light seals can do this.
Diesel owners are more likely to notice, as they take longer to produce enough heat to disperse the 'fog' (assuming the A/C demist isn't being used).
If you have A/C, it'll clear the fog quicker. However it's worth bearing in mind T Cut's observations regarding the evaporator unit holding moisture when used regularly.

[dadragon]

T-Cut made a good point earlier regarding the air-con, it would be interesting to know how many of us who suffer badly with the damp actually use the air-con regularly?. I know I have never used mine since I bought it in May as my
T4 session spotted that I need the gold resistor fitting as my second speed is not working, I don't use it anyway so there is no rush to get that fixed, I know for a fact that the wife never uses her air-con and hers is the driest by far. Mine is only just a bit damp on the front screen in the mornings when I've been out the day before in the wet and as I've only owned it since May am yet to find out the true nature of the beast, time will tell!!. So how many use their air-con and suffer with the damp?
Regards DaDragon

[MangoMan]

My theory is it's due to the aircon system. If the aircon is used year round, then the evaporator chamber is saturated year round. That provides the initial charge of saturated air to enter the cab when the ignition's turned on. Inevitably, this excess moisture condenses on the cold windscreen. I've found that if the aircon is turned off permanently, so the evaporator system dries out completely, the screen misting is minimal.

TC

This is quite correct T-C. In actual fact the Evaporator gets covered in ice! - that is why after you have used the AC on a hot day there is usually, (or should be if the drains are OK) a puddle under the car.

So if you have been using the AC in the current weather and you switch off and get out of the car this ice melts and because the interior of the car is usually quite warm it starts to evaporate and then condenses on the windscreen because that is cold....

Not only that you've usually got into the car with wets shoes etc. You'll be surprised how little moisture you need to create condensation in the car. By the way it is usually compounded if left in the sun on a cold day with the windows closed! This is another reason I like the Wind Deflectors, it allows me to leave the front windows open slightly when parked without them looking open, and keeping any rain out... ;)

[dadragon]

DMGRS, not just water ingress, what about getting in and out with soaking wet boots which wet the carpet something terrible!!. I can't figure this one out conclusively because my wife's as I've said doesn't get condensation and yet only last year I was replacing a brake light bulb for her when to my horror there was a big paper folder that she uses for work with mold starting to form on it because it was so wet from her putting her shopping on top!!, it was just sat there on the boot liner staring at me!!!, I thought "you make me sick Mrs"
You don't bother to keep the car dry yet you have no come back, what's that about?!!!!. I took it out and threw it in the bin. :shrug:
Regards DaDragon

[wuzerk]

My theory is it's due to the aircon system. If the aircon is used year round, then the evaporator chamber is saturated year round. That provides the initial charge of saturated air to enter the cab when the ignition's turned on. Inevitably, this excess moisture condenses on the cold windscreen. I've found that if the aircon is turned off permanently, so the evaporator system dries out completely, the screen misting is minimal.

TC
My condensation is there overnight before the ignition is turned on and No, the carpet is NOT wet. I have followed the usual advice that the car was designed to have the air con on all the time so I will now avoid using it to see what happens although the' Pingi' item is doing a good job at the moment.

[MangoMan]

As far as using the AC I just use it to initially clear the screen if needed, although this is quite rare, and then switch it off as soon as it is clear.
Of course the Evaporator has dried out by the time I have reached my destination and switched off.... ;)

NB. This is what works for me on this car as well as others I have had with AC, but that doesn't mean it will be your best, or chosen way of doing it.

[Robbie Sadr]

I am amazed at hearing all these misted up windows etc.

Have had numerous cars with a/c over the last few years and always keep it running year round with no issues with misted up windows apart from when we get into the car as a a family with wet clothes on but then the windows clear quickly with a boost.

An car aircon specialist told me to always keep it running as during wet weather the cooling coil removes the moisture and it gets carried away by means of the tray underneath. It also means the inside of the car doesn't get the chance to absorb moisture. Some moisture will be retained inside the system for sure not sufficient I would think to make it the issue it appears to be.

I run mine whatever the weather as that's what it's there for. Have taken readings to see whether it hits economy when on but the difference is insignificant so I keep the AUTO button depressed!

Robbie

[VVC-Geeza]

I'm convinced it's a 'Rover Thing'. I posted this thread a couple of years ago
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=111680&highlight=CONDENSATION

[T-Cut]

Condensation occurs on the inside because the interior air is moist enough to produce dew at ambient temperature. The windscreen is at ambient when the interior itself may not be. If the glass outside isn't fogged, then the inside air is wetter than the outside air. It only needs a trace of water inside. A tiny bit makes a large volume of water vapour. But where that water comes from is the conundrum. A damp item in the boot, damp footprints on the carpets, almost anything is a possible source.

TC

[Lotaskin]

My A/C is always on 21c and never have problems with condensation. It might be that some of you like a hot car and if I remember correctly hot air holds more moisture than cold air so when you switch the car off warm air from the blower is no longer covering the windscreen so the hot air hits the cold screen cools down and can no longer hold the water thus giving it up on the glass. So it might be worth keeping the cabin temp down and seeing if that makes a difference.

[SD1too]

In actual fact the Evaporator gets covered in ice!
I'm very sorry to have to say Bill that this isn't the case. The evaporator is maintained no lower than 4°C so ice cannot form. The puddle to which you refer is the result of condensation on the cold evaporator, not melting ice. This is produced continuously, but you only notice the discharge after you have parked the car.

Here's the extract from RAVE:
"To prevent ... the formation of ice from blocking the evaporator matrix, the BCU withholds the change of request to "compressor on" ... if the evaporator temperature is 4°C or below."

Simon

[MangoMan]

I'm very sorry to have to say Bill that this isn't the case. The evaporator is maintained no lower than 4°C so ice cannot form. The puddle to which you refer is the result of condensation on the cold evaporator, not melting ice. This is produced continuously, but you only notice the discharge after you have parked the car.

Here's the extract from RAVE:
"To prevent ... the formation of ice from blocking the evaporator matrix, the BCU withholds the change of request to "compressor on" ... if the evaporator temperature is 4°C or below."

Simon

Well, that must be only on the Rover 75 then because I have actually seen it on evaporators on a scope camera pushed through the vents. And the read temperature at 100mm into the vent was/is 2 degrees C. In actual fact that was the test the the AC was working as it should that the temp at 100mm was 2*C.

And I would be interested what is between "prevent... & the", and also later. Not only that, why do they quote 4*C or lower if it doesn't go below 4*C...? Plus frost or ice can form above 0*C anyway. Look at a lot of fridges that are at 4*C and see the ice formed on the evaporators...

So I'm afraid I do not agree entirely with what you say, or 'Rave' for that matter. After all it won't be the first thing they've got wrong! ;)

[SD1too]

... I would be interested what is between "prevent... & the", and also later.
Do you know, I've been asked that question before, and when I provide the full official quote the response is always "Yeah, well, I don't believe that. It's wrong." ;) Nevertheless, your wish is my command. Here's the unedited text:
"To prevent damage to the compressor, and the formation of ice from blocking the evaporator matrix, the BCU withholds the change of request to 'compressor on', and extinguishes the LED when the switch is released, if:

The blower is off
The evaporator temperature is 4° C (25° F) or below.


Note the mistake with the conversion to Fahrenheit.

... why do they quote 4*C or lower if it doesn't go below 4*C...?
It might go below due to a fault. The expression also differentiates between a switch which operates at 4°C and higher.
Plus frost or ice can form above 0*C anyway. Look at a lot of fridges that are at 4*C and see the ice formed on the evaporators...
The "fridge temperature" you quote is that of a mass in the geometric centre of the chilled compartment (I was told this by an engineer at Electrolux). The evaporator will be below that temperature.

We are discussing ice, because that was your original comment. You didn't mention frost then. I thought that it was a fundamental law of physics that water becomes ice at 0°C, isn't it? :shrug:

So I'm afraid I do not agree entirely with what you say, or 'Rave' for that matter.
That's your right Bill, and please be reassured that I'm not trying to pick an argument with you. It's good to debate these issues, whether we agree or not.

Simon

[capese21]

My ZTT is often parked up unused for 2 or more weeks. It does not have any condensation problems on the inside. I always drive with the climate control on auto.

imho if you have condensation on the inside you have a leak that is possibly being absorbed into the carpet and or the sound proofing.

I know my car is dry in these areas.

Ed

Same answer as two years ago!! imho condensation is caused by wet carpets which can appear dry so lift the edge and check the foam underneath.

Ed:}

[T-Cut]

(RAVE)'The evaporator temperature is 4° C (25° F) or below.'
Note the mistake with the conversion to Fahrenheit.


Maybe. But more likely, it should say -4C or 25F which are the same temperature. (25F is actually -3.9C). It would explain the observed icing of the evaporator matrix and the air temperatures in the ducts. Arguably, the 4C duct exit temperature, often noted as the 'specification', is simply anecdotal.

TC

[alanjay]

On these cold mornings, especialy when we have frost I have lots of condensation inside on front screen.
Both cars have dry interiors, am I alone in this or are there other owners of 75`s that get this?
I cannot remember it being so bad in other cars I have owned in last 50 years???
Ken.

As mentioned elsewhere, I think the auto closing of the vent flaps traps humid air in the car which then becomes condensation on cold glass.
Since fitting wind deflectors to my door windows, I leave all about 1/2" down, air circulates and problem gone.

[Billy1mate]

Change your pollen filter.;)

[neilb740]

one very obvious but often overlooked point.

When you have used your kitchen roll, old tea towel, micro fiber glove etc to dry the windows, dont then just leave it in the car stuffed in the door pocket.
If you do then the water will just be back on your windscreen again the next morning.

I have a couple of old tea towels that i keep in the utility room, i grab one on the way out to the car and most importantly, bring it back in and hang itup to dry when i get back.

I have condensation issues if i havent driven the car for a while but after a few days of regular use it gets much better.

[MGmike]

hi,

i have this problem. i have not read all the posts - so this might be covered already.

DO YOU HAVE A SUNROOF?

i found that the sunroof drains were leaking under the carpets. the carpets appeared dry - because they are rubber backed. but when i lifted up the carpet there was an inch of water underneath. this hightens the humidity. so in the cold the car has condensation all the time and frost in the very cold weather. inside the windscreen

[James.uk]

And try not to breath on your screen before you get the air con working. :}..

My car is normaly pretty clear till I start the engine, them it fogs up a bit but soon clears.. I think the heat from the engine dries things out and that causes the momentary Fogging... :}

I rarely turn auto off, and try to keep the ski flap in the back open so the boot doesn't get damp... :) I intend to drill some holes in the ski flap but never seem to get round to it. Do'hhh
...

[SD1too]

Maybe. But more likely, it should say -4C or 25F which are the same temperature. (25F is actually -3.9C).
Thanks for this TC. I did consider this possibility but thought that the air temperature I had measured of around 4°C wasn't consistent with an evaporator temperature 8° lower, but I am now not so sure. I've found this in RAVE's data section:

Evaporator thermostat:
Opens +2°C (36°F)
Closes - 4°C (25°F)

This is probably the thermostatic expansion valve (TXV) bolted to an end of the evaporator, as it describes a tube within the valve which "senses evaporator outlet temperature".
There is also an electrical evaporator temperature sensor which is connected to the BCU and ATC ECU. It's never simple with our cars! :o

Anyway, from the data it appears that the evaporator temperature is maintained (by whatever means) between - 4° and +2°C. If so, then I owe Bill an apology because clearly ice can then form on the evaporator, as he said. So, sorry Bill. It seems I have misinterpreted RAVE. :getmecoat:

Arguably, the 4C duct exit temperature, often noted as the 'specification', is simply anecdotal.
The last time I had my system recharged the air delivery to the cabin was measured at 5°C. I haven't seen any air temperature data given by MGR.

Simon

[d_a_n1979]

I have my AC running all the time; just set the temp accordingly

My ZT-T does steam up; more so when I climb back in after training as I'm usually wringing wet through with sweat anyways but the AC soon shifts that

If you are having misting up issues then I highly recommend using RainX on the inside of your windscreen and rear window also; it really does help them to not steam up

I DESPISE people (my wife) using the de-mist pads or kitchen roll; it just makes things worse and generally smears the windows horribly as well! :duh:

[Kennyeth]

hi,

i have this problem. i have not read all the posts - so this might be covered already.

DO YOU HAVE A SUNROOF?

i found that the sunroof drains were leaking under the carpets. the carpets appeared dry - because they are rubber backed. but when i lifted up the carpet there was an inch of water underneath. this hightens the humidity. so in the cold the car has condensation all the time and frost in the very cold weather. inside the windscreen

Read the POSTS :D
Ken

[Kennyeth]

Lets not get side tracked. We are not discussing why it`s wet, where it comes from or if the A/C shifts it and keeps it clear. :}
Your screen is soaking wet......what do you use to soak it up Etc Etc Etc.
So far we have had kitchen roll, a bag of stuff off ebay ( I ordered one) plus I have a microfiber mitt, but yesterday and today there were no condensation so I have not tried that yet.
Ken.

[peelaaa]

You're not alone Pete and this has been discussed before. My own theory is that it cannot help having the pollen filter located outside the dry passenger compartment. Even with a fully draining plenum chamber, in wet or humid conditions the filter material is bound to absorb some of that moisture which will then be carried through in the airflow and condense on the windscreen. I deduced this after renewing the pollen filter and the misting effect disappeared ... for a while. ;)

Simon

Yeah, mine does it too, just above where the pollen filter is.

[tigers1941]

I have the same problem, clears up quickly when I use the air con, but it is annoying, small price to pay though for owning a 75

[Dansrockin]

my zt tends to get a bit of condensation in the colder mornings, but the plenums and boot are dry, so i just switch the aircon on for a few mins and clear the windows.
if you think these cars are bad for condensation though, you want to spend a few weeks with an mgf!! mine has a couple of leaks in the roof where the rain found its way into the carpet and soundproofing, and some mornings i can get into the car and there are actual large drops of water condensing on the windscreen!! :D

[Saga Lout]

My 75 does not have any condensation issues, it did when I first got it but not now. I found seven leaks into the car when I removed the interior, some very small ones at that. If mine is dry in the mornings then so should the other cars be The picture is of the underside of my roof when I took the lining out, from that to bone dry must mean it was just water ingress, even on the coldest mornings of the year, it's only my breath that causes a misting when I get in. It must be moisture getting in.

[OddSox]

There are so many things that cause condensation its kinda frustrating. My car is as dry as a bone inside, no leaks anywhere and new pollen filter etc.

9 times out of 10 in the mornings my windows are as clear as a bell on the inside, but on the odd occasion its thick with condensation, and i do mean pretty thick, so much so that the water is running down the INSIDE of the windscreen and its a right old pain to mop it all up.

Imagine if didnt use the car that day?, then all that water has to go somewhere, drips down into the dash and is absorbed by the carpets and seats. Hense its like a re-cycling process.

By no means is this particular to rovers, all the cars i have owned have done the same thing.

[Lotaskin]

My 75 does not have any condensation issues, it did when I first got it but not now. I found seven leaks into the car when I removed the interior, some very small ones at that. If mine is dry in the mornings then so should the other cars be The picture is of the underside of my roof when I took the lining out, from that to bone dry must mean it was just water ingress, even on the coldest mornings of the year, it's only my breath that causes a misting when I get in. It must be moisture getting in.
Same here I just don't get condensation! So for those who do it must be water ingress or the way you use the ventilation/A/C. My A/C is always on with temp set to 21c and the top centre vents set to external.

[Kennyeth]

There are so many things that cause condensation its kinda frustrating. My car is as dry as a bone inside, no leaks anywhere and new pollen filter etc.

9 times out of 10 in the mornings my windows are as clear as a bell on the inside, but on the odd occasion its thick with condensation, and i do mean pretty thick, so much so that the water is running down the INSIDE of the windscreen and its a right old pain to mop it all up.

Imagine if didnt use the car that day?, then all that water has to go somewhere, drips down into the dash and is absorbed by the carpets and seats. Hense its like a re-cycling process.

By no means is this particular to rovers, all the cars i have owned have done the same thing.

That more or less describes my two 75`s.
When the temperature is enough to freeze the outside of the screen, then over an hour or so becomes warmer, that`s when the inside front is wringing wet, if the sun is on the screen melting the outside it then removes the wet from inside..........with what some guys are saying about dry cars and not getting any condensation, I guess we are doomed because where has the wet gone from inside if you leave it to the weather ??? it`s evaporated disapeared into ........
............oh nooooooo a damp car :D
Ken.

[milleplod]

My father-in-law uses the back of his greasy hand if his screen mists up! :duh: He says the aircon gives him a dry throat! He can't see out of the windows most of the time....but at least he's not coughing.....:eek:

Pete

[Kennyeth]

my father-in-law uses the back of his greasy hand if his screen mists up! :duh: He says the aircon gives him a dry throat! He can't see out of the windows most of the time....but at least he's not coughing.....:eek:

Pete

:d:d:d:d:d

[capese21]

When the temperature is enough to freeze the outside of the screen, then over an hour or so becomes warmer, that`s when the inside front is wringing wet

Have you lifted the carpet enough to see if it wet? The carpets can look and feel dry but soaked underneath. I never get condensation in my ZTT no matter what the weather or outside temp.

Ed:}

[sjc]

I have my AC running all the time; just set the temp accordingly

My ZT-T does steam up; more so when I climb back in after training as I'm usually wringing wet through with sweat anyways but the AC soon shifts that

If you are having misting up issues then I highly recommend using RainX on the inside of your windscreen and rear window also; it really does help them to not steam up

I DESPISE people (my wife) using the de-mist pads or kitchen roll; it just makes things worse and generally smears the windows horribly as well! :duh:
Listen to this man, he's right on every level ( well other than the sweaty bit!)

[Doc Evil]

I have to agree with above (capese21)and Sagalout I had a bit of condensation nothing much but every morning until I cured the nine leaks in the boot now it's been clear windows every morning
I have found that if you use the aircon and leave early it switched on till you stop the evaporator is left wet and the windscreen mists up but if you turn off aircon a couple of minutes before the end of the journey but leave the fan on your windows will remain clear
Doc

[Ramsay]

Hi, wondering if this is related to the sunroof drain? There is a separate thread for that. We have just realised we probably have that problem in a big way and have posted a question on that other thread..how to remove the glove box when it has a cd changer in it. Any help most welcome 😳. P.s. Been members for years but are really newbies so please be gentle..

[valleygixer]

I fitted wind deflectors so I can leave the windows down a few mm without anyone being able to tell. Helps with air circulation.

[Kennyeth]

Listen to this man, he's right on every level ( well other than the sweaty bit!)

I`l just say it once more then I`l give up: :getmecoat:
We arn`t talking about misting up :} we are talking about a severely wet screen.
Ken.

[sjc]

If you'd put Severely Wet Screen instead of condensation in your original post maybe it would have been bit clearer. I was merely trying to back up one mans suggestion that rain-ex will be a big help on the inside of the screen instead of you using kitchen roll.Not a cure, but a help.
No big deal, mines perfectly dry anyway, won't add anymore to the thread.

[MrDoodles]

Since fixing Ed's boot leak, despite him being sat out in all weathers and now only having infrequent use, he NEVER has any condensation inside, but then I do use the ATC all year, as it's supposed to be used! :}

[ALPACA]

My 2003 CDTi suffered badly when I first bought her, and I used sealant in the boot area on the usual places, Wuzerk drilled holes in my boot floor and everything was fine.

A month ago my front and rear screens started suffering badly from condensation, and I noticed water in the boot, the boot felt top being very wet. I am currently investigating leaks again, and have resealed and retightened various areas and nuts in the hope of narrowing it down.

The dehumidifiers I bought with the blue and pink indicators really help, but this morning the rear screen was bad again and the little bag was pink, so had done it's best. The front bag was blue and screen clear.

An interesting point though, some folks say 'my interior carpets are dry....', but last week Wuzerk and I were fitting Arctics excellent handbrake compensator on my car and on lifting the carpet I found a lot of water under the foam bottom, where the passenger feet go. Yet the carpet on top was bone dry... so you only really know when you lift the carpet to check.

Anyway, dehumidifier bags helping and I am on the case to try and find my leak.

I use air con all year round, and cold aircon almost every day on my homeward journey after work.

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[Kennyeth]

Here is a different thought on the wet screen thingy.
All the guys that have dry cars and if you have the computer read out on the IPK (instrument pack) have you suffered from the missing pixels?
and all of those like myself can you let us know if you have missing pixels.
I have had then on both cars.
My reason for asking is to try and see if a wet/damp dashboard could be causing the ribbon strip to deteriorate.
Ken.

[capese21]

I fitted wind deflectors so I can leave the windows down a few mm without anyone being able to tell. Helps with air circulation.

The ATC will do this its what it is for.

Water running down the windows = wet soaked carpets which will seem dry until you check underneath.


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[Lotaskin]

Here is a different thought on the wet screen thingy.
All the guys that have dry cars and if you have the computer read out on the IPK (instrument pack) have you suffered from the missing pixels?
and all of those like myself can you let us know if you have missing pixels.
I have had then on both cars.
My reason for asking is to try and see if a wet/damp dashboard could be causing the ribbon strip to deteriorate.
Ken.
I have a dry car with no condensation and no missing pixels!
A/C is always on normally set to 21c centre vents normally set to external air.

[Kennyeth]

Very frosty outside today, one of those types of mornings when I get all the moisture on the inside front screen.
I have bought the Pingi moisture killer absorber and placed in car on dashboard a few days ago, not been out in car this week so not run.
I will be going out today but want the frost & ice to melt naturally and we can see if the pad has worked it`s magic, fingers crossed though I doubt my screen will be clear.
Ken.