1.8T induction kit

[The Mighty Quinn]

Just purchased an induction kit for my 1.8T, as an experiment really, to see if I can live with the sound. Have a stainless cat-back system (mid-sport) in place already and just want to try it out to see if it adds anything to the overall sound.
Having no experience with these before, does the aluminium pipe-work that comes with the kit just fit directly into the hose that the original air-box comes out of? Or are there more beneficial ways to fit it..? Will try and keep it as far away from the engine block and have bought a heat shield for the cone, but not too worried about a tiny loss of power..

[Plezier]

With an open cone you might gain some induction roar but little in the way of performance gains due to heat soak. You may actually loose on power.

Enclosed cold air feed it the best option.

Oh yes BTW this induction roar, I call it the fabled induction roar ............................ as have yet to find it and the MGF VVC has a K&N 57i open cone one fitted (was there when I acquired her) although i keep tryign to find this fabler roar in over 4000 miles of driving am still looking for it.

Have an enclosed filter for the VVC now which need to plump into her at some point to replace the 57i set up.

[valleygixer]

I fitted a foam cone to my 1.8t and the induction noise was immense. No roar, more of a woooosh/sucking noise. I swapped for a KnN panel after as I didn't like the look of it.

[The Mighty Quinn]

Thanks Kevin, yeah it's an open cone system (ASH) with aluminium duct work and a heat shield (not enclosed though). I'm curious as to the sound that will be produced and am not too worried about a little loss in power as I'm a rather gentile driver in most cases!

Quick question though, will the new duct work (3"), just fit directly into the hose that the old air-box came out of (1.8T)?

I've never entertained one of these systems before..

Cheers.

[The Mighty Quinn]

I fitted a foam cone to my 1.8t and the induction noise was immense. No roar, more of a woooosh/sucking noise. I swapped for a KnN panel after as I didn't like the look of it.

Oooh, not too keen on having a roar coming from the car.. it's not dressed up that way and it wouldn't suit it, but I'll give it a bash and see how it goes.

BTW, just out with the old air-box and straight in with the new duct-work and cone?

Cheers.

[Plezier]

Sorry cannot help as my 75 is still standard. Usually the induction kits if for the specific car will have the correct hoses and instructions. My enclosed filter is a universal one so have to sort out the hoses however it was used and cheap. I cannot afford the new prices asked for them.

[stevestrat]

I swapped for a KnN panel after as I didn't like the look of it.I keep thinking about a K&N, did it make any difference?

[The Mighty Quinn]

I keep thinking about a K&N, did it make any difference?

I have a K&N panel filter fitted at the moment and it makes a slight difference to the sound of the car (a bit "puffier"), but its not that noticeable. I just want to experiment a bit - may revert to panel if I don't like the results with the cone system.

Cheers.

[suzublu]

Karl, fitted mine straight onto the air feed tube with an alloy insert for rigidity, then placed over the cold air feed from the shannon tube, with a heatshield between the engine & cone. Here's a pic without heatshield, might give you some idea... http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af195/suzublu/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-08/60062F3F-76CA-48E8-A8A1-8D6BBEA459C7_zpsadgovvtr.jpg (http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/suzublu/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-08/60062F3F-76CA-48E8-A8A1-8D6BBEA459C7_zpsadgovvtr.jpg.html)

[The Mighty Quinn]

Karl, fitted mine straight onto the air feed tube with an alloy insert for rigidity, then placed over the cold air feed from the shannon tube, with a heatshield between the engine & cone. Here's a pic without heatshield, might give you some idea... http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af195/suzublu/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-08/60062F3F-76CA-48E8-A8A1-8D6BBEA459C7_zpsadgovvtr.jpg (http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/suzublu/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-08/60062F3F-76CA-48E8-A8A1-8D6BBEA459C7_zpsadgovvtr.jpg.html)

Cheers Ronnie, the 1.8T induction system must be a little different to the 1.8 N/A though - the hose from the air-box on my car goes down into the direction of the turbo and another hose comes back up to the inlet manifold - sorry, really displaying my mechanical ignorance good and proper now..!

Maybe someone with more technical know-how could explain what I mean..

[suzublu]

Ah right Karl, never thought of that :icon_redface::icon_lol:

[The Mighty Quinn]

No hassle, thanks Ronnie - looks good btw!
I've added a photo to help explain what I mean here..

Here's a pic of the air-box on my 1.8T - Main hose directly from the air-box disappears south and the other hose emerging from down there (underneath the main hose from the air-box) goes to the inlet manifold. Just trying to figure out if I can plug the new cone/duct-work straight into the hose that's connected to the air-box in the pic, or if I need to replace more of the original hosing, further down the line, if you see what I'm getting at..

Cheers.

[VVC-Geeza]

Fully enclosed and with flexible cold air feed.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/K-N-Apollo-Induction-Kit-MG-ZT160-1-8-2002-2006-57A-6028-/400311579155?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5d346df213

[The Mighty Quinn]

Fully enclosed and with flexible cold air feed.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/K-N-Apollo-Induction-Kit-MG-ZT160-1-8-2002-2006-57A-6028-/400311579155?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5d346df213

That looks like a nice piece of kit alright Mick, but I've already ordered a more modest version to get a feel for induction systems - may just revert to the panel filter if it turns out I'm not a fan..
Does this plug straight into the top hose that's attached to the air-box?

Cheers.

[VVC-Geeza]

That looks like a nice piece of kit alright Mick, but I've already ordered a more modest version to get a feel for induction systems - may just revert to the panel filter if it turns out I'm not a fan..
Does this plug straight into the top hose that's attached to the air-box?

Cheers.

I have the K&N panel filter Karl,it's far superior to the OEM one.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s303/mick_064/knfilter004.jpg (http://s155.photobucket.com/user/mick_064/media/knfilter004.jpg.html)

[Pistonbroke666]

No hassle, thanks Ronnie - looks good btw!
I've added a photo to help explain what I mean here..

Here's a pic of the air-box on my 1.8T - Main hose directly from the air-box disappears south and the other hose emerging from down there (underneath the main hose from the air-box) goes to the inlet manifold. Just trying to figure out if I can plug the new cone/duct-work straight into the hose that's connected to the air-box in the pic, or if I need to replace more of the original hosing, further down the line, if you see what I'm getting at..

Cheers.

You can connect straight off the pipe that goes into the existing air box bud.

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm152/wescorchthesky/9925FDE4-C5AE-4BD9-8F98-27B704DE051D_zpswhibvud4.jpg (http://s295.photobucket.com/user/wescorchthesky/media/9925FDE4-C5AE-4BD9-8F98-27B704DE051D_zpswhibvud4.jpg.html)

I ended up going a little different with my induction in the end...

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm152/wescorchthesky/20140913_111932_zpssxfqcmbg.jpg (http://s295.photobucket.com/user/wescorchthesky/media/20140913_111932_zpssxfqcmbg.jpg.html)

[bear-mg]

if it was anything like my induction kit it soon came off , the noise is way to over powering and soon got on my t*t's lol a massive whoosh of induction and a loud chirp from the waste gate :xmas-smiley-007:its a novelty at first but soon become annoying I found...worth a try though :Snow:

[DMGRS]

if it was anything like my induction kit it soon came off , the noise is way to over powering and soon got on my t*t's lol a massive whoosh of induction and a loud chirp from the waste gate :xmas-smiley-007:its a novelty at first but soon become annoying I found...worth a try though :Snow:

I found that with my 620ti - had an induction set-up on it for a week, and now back on a panel filter in the standard airbox. A bit of a growl, but a lot quieter. :)

[valleygixer]

I keep thinking about a K&N, did it make any difference?

Difference? Not that I can tell really. Less noise and look standard. I've got the 200bhp map from ZnF tuning so fitted as part of that.

[Plezier]

I would think to gain any real benefit then the new performance type filter needs to be connected with a suitable elbow and hose direct tot eh throttle body. If the intake air has to run around the converluted route of the original systems your not gaining anything.

This is the K&N 57i fitted the MGF:-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/Brithunter/MGF%20VVC%20in%20BRG/P4170279_zps1c1c33d2.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Brithunter/media/MGF%20VVC%20in%20BRG/P4170279_zps1c1c33d2.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/Brithunter/MGF%20VVC%20in%20BRG/P4170276_zpsd085b412.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Brithunter/media/MGF%20VVC%20in%20BRG/P4170276_zpsd085b412.jpg.html)

It has those two alloy tubes that are supposed to gather cool air from under the car and feed it up around the filter. Note the K&N curved elbow the filter is mounted upon. None of the original intake system is used except for the throttle body of course. In fact it had all been removed on this VVC.

Now on the MPi I removed the resonator box to replace the brake pipes hidden behind it and have now fitted the betetr and larger TF 135 air filter box which has been modified:-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/Brithunter/MGF%20MPi/PA260318_zpsabf3470d.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Brithunter/media/MGF%20MPi/PA260318_zpsabf3470d.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/Brithunter/MGF%20MPi/PA260320_zps911c5c2c.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Brithunter/media/MGF%20MPi/PA260320_zps911c5c2c.jpg.html)

The front wall has had a hole cut in it for the intake horn and the original rear intake sealed up. The intake beign now att eh front is more direct and easier to route the intake hose down to the N/S intake vent on the MGF.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/Brithunter/MGF%20MPi/PA260321_zps48c83f13.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Brithunter/media/MGF%20MPi/PA260321_zps48c83f13.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/Brithunter/MGF%20MPi/PA260324_zpsd5e4ea75.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Brithunter/media/MGF%20MPi/PA260324_zpsd5e4ea75.jpg.html)

It required the mounting bracket also be replaced as the TF box is quite a bit wider than the original MGF one. The top of the TF one was cleaned primed and painted silver so it's nice and clean.

To the casual look the engine bay look pretty standard but one does notice that the resonator box is gone from the N/S/R wheel arch as it was quite a lump:-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/Brithunter/MGF%20MPi/P2170204_zps7e6d4be4.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Brithunter/media/MGF%20MPi/P2170204_zps7e6d4be4.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/Brithunter/MGF%20MPi/P2170210_zpsd64cf0b2.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Brithunter/media/MGF%20MPi/P2170210_zpsd64cf0b2.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v166/Brithunter/MGF%20MPi/P2170211_zps225d3298.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Brithunter/media/MGF%20MPi/P2170211_zps225d3298.jpg.html)

and nearly removed. All mods have been declared.

[The Mighty Quinn]

[QUOTE=Pistonbroke666;1856745]You can connect straight off the pipe that goes into the existing air box bud.

I ended up going a little different with my induction in the end...



Nice one, thanks for that. Yours looks very professional, but I'll take the simplest route first and see what happens.

Cheers.

[bear-mg]

Difference? Not that I can tell really. Less noise and look standard. I've got the 200bhp map from ZnF tuning so fitted as part of that.

im toying with the idea of the z&f remap...does it make a noticeable difference? very curious :xmas-smiley-007:

[VVC-Geeza]

Just do it :D

[Pistonbroke666]

im toying with the idea of the z&f remap...does it make a noticeable difference? very curious :xmas-smiley-007:
Hell yes.
Do it. Do it now.

Think of it as removing the down tune that MG-R put on a very capable engine.

[Plezier]

Hmmmm I wonder if it was the "Paymaster" that was responsible for all this down tuning after all BMW would not let their superior German machines be shown up for what they really were now would they!!

[Pistonbroke666]

Hmmmm I wonder if it was the "Paymaster" that was responsible for all this down tuning after all BMW would not let their superior German machines be shown up for what they really were now would they!!

I may be wrong but I believe the downtune on the 1.8T was to meet emission requirements (for company cars) and to not compete with the V6 engine on power.

[valleygixer]

im toying with the idea of the z&f remap...does it make a noticeable difference? very curious :xmas-smiley-007:

Yep just do it.

I did the exchange scheme as I didn't have time (or patience) to wait to drive to him!! Works a treat.

More power, better economy, happier feeling engine as it's smooooooth!! I'm averaging 390 miles out of a full tank of petrol now. 200bhp.....ish and 31mpg in a car that weighs as much as a small house!! Better than a 190 in every respect :new_year:

[pab]

I have the K&N panel filter Karl,it's far superior to the OEM one.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s303/mick_064/knfilter004.jpg (http://s155.photobucket.com/user/mick_064/media/knfilter004.jpg.html)

Totally agree, as good as it gets..

[Dragrad]

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