web site / design query

[martin1973]

Hi

I was wondering if there is any way you can view the content of a css file without ftp access

http://www.inglenookcottage.com/index.htm

if you view the source you can get all the html code, copy the images and gifs but i dont have the info to load in the logos etc as this is within the css style sheet.

Just trying to help a friend out to save him paying a fortune for renewal fees.

Any shady way round this or is it hard luck if no ftp access?

If he didnt renew the hosting is he in his rights to ask for a copy of the full site on cd as he did pay for design? (designer would probably sting him for the pleasure)

[GreyGhost]

Is this the section you require? This is a snapshot in jpg format the buttons can be recreated directly on the picture by using hotspots. The page background can easily be recreated

[JohnDotCom]

Wot Wot Wot Seems quite straightforward but sometimes Web Designers do hold the Copyright, check what was signed for when the job was originally carried out.

[Simon]

Sometimes external CSS files are saved in the browsers cache, so you may look there. As John says though, sometimes copying CSS styles directly will infringe copyright so be careful. Use any layouts as inspiration rather than as a 'copy and paste' excersise. :lol:

[GreyGhost]

I believe the copyright for the site is the property of the web designer / publisher. Whereas any pictures, photographs, content, supplied, belongs to the creator. We'd need one of our experts to confirm this.

[martin1973]

Hi

Yes its the image attached which although ive saved into the image folder doesnt load into the web pages as its intruction to load is via the css style sheet.

Its not to pinch ideas in this case, its to move the site away from the designer to host elsewhere for cheaper. Would copyright still come into this?

Im more or a web site butcher can alter images, text and basic alterations on my own site but when it comes to design and style sheets im at a loss - can understand the principal and the idea behind the code but wouldnt know where to start.

I think i will instruct my mate to try and go down the ftp access route or a copy of the site from the original designer.

[martin1973]

Sometimes external CSS files are saved in the browsers cache, so you may look there. As John says though, sometimes copying CSS styles directly will infringe copyright so be careful. Use any layouts as inspiration rather than as a 'copy and paste' excersise. :lol:

Simon just out of interest incase it is there how do you access the browsers cache? (use xp and explorer 7)

[GreyGhost]

Hi

Yes its the image attached which although ive saved into the image folder doesnt load into the web pages as its intruction to load is via the css style sheet.

Its not to pinch ideas in this case, its to move the site away from the designer to host elsewhere for cheaper. Would copyright still come into this?

Im more or a web site butcher can alter images, text and basic alterations on my own site but when it comes to design and style sheets im at a loss - can understand the principal and the idea behind the code but wouldnt know where to start.

I think i will instruct my mate to try and go down the ftp access route or a copy of the site from the original designer.

CSS allows you to flow pics and links onto each page (creating a template on the fly if you like) without having to create each page with the pics and links on as with the ones you can pick up. You do not have to use one.
You can recreate the site without CSS. Using the snapshot I took and a new background, each page you create will have these elements plus all else you want on it. The links as I say can be hotspots on the picture. If you want more info on that look up hotspots in whatever tool you are using to create your pages, (Dreamweaver perhaps). Then the only issue is who owns the logo.

[Simon]

I think i will instruct my mate to try and go down the ftp access route or a copy of the site from the original designer.

Unless you know the ftp password and username to access the server then yo wont get access.

As for Cache...

Open Exlporer... Click "Tools"
In the first tab, half way down the page, select "Settings" under the 'Browsing history' section
Click "View Files" in the next dialogue box to appear
You should now see all of the tempory internet files (Cache) on your computer.Hope this helps. :lol:

[martin1973]

Hi Ghost

understand how css works just cant write it, as you say adding the logo to every page would be a way round it.

Cheers for the info Simon

[martin1973]

Hi Simon

Think you may have struck gold, will have my tea and try and sort it out afterwards.

[GreyGhost]

Hi Ghost

understand how css works just cant write it, as you say adding the logo to every page would be a way round it.

Cheers for the info Simon

Sorry misunderstood :(

[martin1973]

Its ok Ghost you have enlightened me some more - to look at them i can see it decides what fonts are used, if you put <p class="offers"> rover 75 £2000 off, it gives red text in size H2 etc, i just wouldnt have a clue how to start one from scratch.

Simon got the style sheet and also another file pngfix.js which at a guess is to sort out problems between different versions of browsers, uploaded the two files, plus all the button gifs and the css file must be working as the text in the main body is now green but im missing the navigation links and logos.

Ive tried putting the images in files called "images" "buttons" "navigation" just wondering if its looking for a folder i havnt correctly named.

The original page is here
http://www.inglenookcottage.com/index.htm

copied over version here
http://www.lake-district-holiday.com/index.htm

Any ideas what im doing wrong or what ive missed?

[lildevil]

Its ok Ghost you have enlightened me some more - to look at them i can see it decides what fonts are used, if you put <p class="offers"> rover 75 £2000 off, it gives red text in size H2 etc, i just wouldnt have a clue how to start one from scratch.

Simon got the style sheet and also another file pngfix.js which at a guess is to sort out problems between different versions of browsers, uploaded the two files, plus all the button gifs and the css file must be working as the text in the main body is now green but im missing the navigation links and logos.

Ive tried putting the images in files called "images" "buttons" "navigation" just wondering if its looking for a folder i havnt correctly named.

The original page is here
http://www.inglenookcottage.com/index.htm

copied over version here
http://www.lake-district-holiday.com/index.htm

Any ideas what im doing wrong or what ive missed?

Martin you have a PM!

Regards
Tom

[Simon]

To work out what folders are meant to be for what you need to look at the HTML markup carefully and see where the <img src='somefolder/somefile.jpg'> etc are pointing. Also applies to the stylesheet link at the top which will look something like

<link href="styles.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />

and the also the Javascript source (the pngfix.js) which will look something like this:

<script type="text/javascript" src="pngfix.js></script>

Hope all this helps! :lol:

[martin1973]

Hi Tom PM back at ya

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Simon thought it must be within the image tags etc as thats how my website works, however couldnt figure it out - tried folders now called "id" "stylesheet" "buttons" "navigation" no joy im being a numpty but cant see it for looking

[martin1973]

Big thanks to Tom who sorted it and to everyone elses input

If any of you fancy a holiday in the lakes remind me and i will sort you out some kind of discount
www.goosemirecottages.co.uk

hope this link is ok if no will edit post or remove post, just dont ban me :D

[GreyGhost]

Big thanks to Tom who sorted it and to everyone elses input

If any of you fancy a holiday in the lakes remind me and i will sort you out some kind of discount
www.goosemirecottages.co.uk

hope this link is ok if no will edit post or remove post, just dont ban me :D

Very nice of you to make the offer :)

Thanks

[lildevil]

Big thanks to Tom who sorted it and to everyone elses input

If any of you fancy a holiday in the lakes remind me and i will sort you out some kind of discount
www.goosemirecottages.co.uk

hope this link is ok if no will edit post or remove post, just dont ban me :D

I can confirm that the link does work Martin. No probs sorting it, I am glad that I can be of assistance.

Oh and by the way for people who are wondering what was wrong it was because the css was pointng to the wrong location for the images...it was pointing up a directory level to high. But problem is all sorted now.

Regards
Tom

[martin1973]

Well with the weather at the moment it would be a good place to check your plenium mod has worked and all seals are intact :D (then again think the whole of the UK is getting some dreadful weather at the moment)

[JohnDotCom]

Yep, Lost Two Garden Sheds, 1 x Digital TV Aerial Array & about 40 Roof Tiles so far today (all missed the cars which have now been put into the Garages) one shed Roof took off into a nearby Road (50ft Away) no sign of the Wind Stopping but got the Generator on Standby as so many people have lost Electric. Oh and the sea is coming in a bit High to. Better check those Plenums next week! Oh to live by the Seaside!!

[martin1973]

Yep, Lost Two Garden Sheds, 1 x Digital TV Aerial Array & about 40 Roof Tiles so far today !!

For a minute i thought you must live in a really rough area :rolleyes:

[JohnDotCom]

:clap: :clap:LOL Very Good. :clap:The only rough thing around here continues to be the Weather, Could be worse Next Door has Lost all his Ridge Tiles, we will keep the Insurance people busy next week.

[Rich]

I presume you have all this already now?

body
{
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px 20px;
background: #252805 url(images/vine.gif) repeat;
font-family: arial,verdana,sans serif;
font-size: 12px;
}

#header_image
{
width: 780px;
height: 144px;
text-align: right;
background: url(images/header_inglenook.jpg) no-repeat 0% 0%;
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
}
#header_image span
{
display: none;
text-align: right;
}

#welcome
{
background: url(images/inglenook_message_home.png) no-repeat 0% 0%;
width: 200px;
height: 144px;
float: right;
}

*html #welcome
{
width: 200px;
height: 144px;
background: none;
filter: progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader (src='images/inglenook_message_home.png', sizingMethod='scale');
float: right;
}

#wrapper
{
width: 780px;
border: 1px;
border-style: solid;
border-color: #264C0D;
margin: 5px 0px 5px 0px;
}

*html #wrapper
{
width: 782px;
}

#navigation
{
width: 780px;
height: 34px;
background: url(images/menu_bg.gif) no-repeat 0% 0%;
}

#buttons
{
width: 580px;
height: 34px;
margin-left: 200px;
text-align: left;
}

/* individual button sizes etc */

.invisitext
{
display: none;
}

.home
{
float: left;
width: 95px;
height: 34px;
background: url(images/button_homepage.gif) no-repeat 0% 0%;
}

.accommodation
{
float: left;
width: 124px;
height: 34px;
background: url(images/button_accommodation.gif) no-repeat 0% 0%;
}

.rates
{
float: left;
width: 144px;
height: 34px;
background: url(images/button_rates.gif) no-repeat 0% 0%;
}

.location
{
float: left;
width: 84px;
height: 34px;
background: url(images/button_location.gif) no-repeat 0% 0%;
}

.contact
{
float: left;
width: 75px;
height: 34px;
background: url(images/button_contact.gif) no-repeat 0% 0%;
}


/* end of navigation buttons */

#booking_button
{
height: 73px;
width: 73px;
background: url(images/book_enquiry_button.gif) no-repeat 0% 0%;
float: left;
margin: 15px 0px 0px 20px;
cursor: hand;
}

html>body #booking_button
{
height: 73px;
width: 73px;
background: url(images/book_enquiry_button.gif) no-repeat 0% 0%;
float: left;
margin: 15px 0px 0px 40px;
cursor: hand;
}

#booking_button span
{
display: none;
}

#content
{
background: url(images/content_bg.gif) 0% 0% no-repeat #F1EBC3;
padding: 20px 20px 20px 0px;
text-align: left;
}

#page_title
{
height: 30px;
margin: 0px 0px 20px 200px;
font-size: 21px;
padding: 0px;
font-weight: medium;
font-family: times,serif;
color: #324119;
}

#content p
{
margin: 0px 0px 20px 200px;
text-align: left;
color: #324119;
}

#content p a
{
color: #915103;
text-decoration: none;
}

#content p a:hover
{
color: #915103;
text-decoration: underline;
}

ul
{
margin-left: 220px;
}

html>body ul
{
margin-left: 180px;
}

.bulleted_list li
{
margin-top: 5px;
font-size: 10px;
}


/* footer elements */

#footer_bar
{
height: 51px;
background: url(images/footer_bg.gif) 0% 0% repeat-x;

clear: both;
}

#footer_text
{
color: #fff;
font-family: times,serif;
font-size: 14px;
font-weight: medium;
margin-top: 18px;
}

#footer_text a
{
color: #fff;
text-decoration: none;
}

#footer_text a:hover
{
color: #E8B81A;
text-decoration: underline;
}

html>body #footer_text
{
margin-top: 0px;
padding-top: 18px;
}

#footer_bar hr
{
display: none;
}

[lildevil]

I presume you have all this already now?

I sent Martin a pm with it in Rich. Its all working correctly now.

Regards
Tom

[Rich]

Sorted :)

Amazing how many things get resolved on this forum in under 24hrs I tell ya!

[lildevil]

Sorted :)

Amazing how many things get resolved on this forum in under 24hrs I tell ya!

Yep I totally agree with you Rich.

Regards
Tom