Engine Stopped Working - Please Help

[og-soulja]

Hi guys,
It was a terrible day for me. While i was returning to the home after my job has finished, my car suddenly stopped working. There was a heavy traffic and the road was closed by me :duh:

I have tried to start it but it didn't. After waiting for about 15 minutes, it has started.

This issue had been second time. (the traffic was heavy and the engine was hot)

In my country Rover's are rare cars. In my city we have only two Rover services (capitol of the country :}). I think they are not experienced about this problems.

Please help!

(2000 model 155.000 km's and has LPG)

[RodgerD]

Hi guys,
It was a terrible day for me. While i was returning to the home after my job has finished, my car suddenly stopped working. There was a heavy traffic and the road was closed by me :duh:

I have tried to start it but it didn't. After waiting for about 15 minutes, it has started.

This issue had been second time. (the traffic was heavy and the engine was hot)

In my country Rover's are rare cars. In my city we have only two Rover services (capitol of the country :}). I think they are not experienced about this problems.

Please help!

(2000 model 155.000 km's and has LPG)

Sounds like a camshaft sensor, easy fit as its at the top of the engine, held in place with one bolt. Get yourself a cheap code reader to confirm.

[og-soulja]

Thank you for your help.
How can i find a code reader?
Camshaft sensor is reparable or do i have to get new one?


Sounds like a camshaft sensor, easy fit as its at the top of the engine, held in place with one bolt. Get yourself a cheap code reader to confirm.

[RodgerD]

They cannot be repaired.

OBD code reads can be obtained on e-bay.

[og-soulja]

In Turkey, i guess i can't find the new sensor, so where i have to buy it at affordable price (1 pound is 3.8 Turkish Liras:duh:) and which one is compatible with my car? (2000 model 1.8 120 HP)

Thanks.
Huseyin.

[Mike Noc]

As mentioned get the codes read. Can't see it being be the cam sensor on a 1.8.

It won't cause the engine to stop once it has started, and as the 1.8 uses a wasted spark it should start without the cam sensor signal. Might start 180 degrees out, but it will start.

[GeoffK]

What about the dreaded in tank fuel filter! I had a similar problem, started then wouldn't, then did.

Turned out to be the fuel filter had come apart.

Geoff.

[ratchet]

The OP's car is LPG which will complicate matters somewhat.

Presumably the car was using lpg when it conked out, so the lpg side of things may be worth further investigation. Has the problem occured when you are using petrol ?

My thoughts follow Mike's regarding the cam sensor.

[og-soulja]

The car was using LPG when it had stopped. As you know, while starting up, it uses Fuel.
I press the LPG/Fuel switch and it didn't started with Fuel.
After waiting about 15 minutes, it has started.

[og-soulja]

And today no problem while starting, i have came to job (about 20 km's from my home)
Maybe while returning to home, it will stop again because of heavy traffic.

Huseyin.

[T-Cut]

What about the dreaded in tank fuel filter!

It's a 2000 reg. Too early I think.

TC

[Dorset Bob]

Regarding reading the codes, a few members have got one of these (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130946256881?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

You might be able to get some help locally through the MG Rover Turk forum.
They seem to talking about T4s, OBD readers here http://www.mgroverturk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=10009&start=15
but maybe not. :D

Good luck in getting the problem sorted.

By the way, I have happy memories of visiting Ankara.
I did some work at the Hema Gear Factory, just down the road from you. :}

[RodgerD]

And today no problem while starting, i have came to job (about 20 km's from my home)
Maybe while returning to home, it will stop again because of heavy traffic.

Huseyin.

Is it stopping whilst it is running and engine is hot or won't start when it's hot? If it stopping whilst running and then won't restart until its cold/cool then crank sensor must be top of the list. I've checked Rimmers in the UK, they for once have a reasonably priced crankshaft sensor and will ship to Turkey.

You really need a code reader to confirm fault location first otherwise it could get expensive with a hit or miss, scatter-gun approach.

[og-soulja]

MG Rover Turk forum is not so active, so i'm always here.
Is this item compatible with my car:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130946256881?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

(2000 model 1.8 lt, 120 HP)

Happy to hear good memories in Ankara from you :}
I love this city. :bowdown:
Will you come to here again?
Regarding reading the codes, a few members have got one of these (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130946256881?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

You might be able to get some help locally through the MG Rover Turk forum.
They seem to talking about T4s, OBD readers here http://www.mgroverturk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=10009&start=15
but maybe not. :D

Good luck in getting the problem sorted.

By the way, I have happy memories of visiting Ankara.
I did some work at the Hema Gear Factory, just down the road from you. :}


:smilie_re:Yes, this is what i'm saying.
Yesterday i did some search for cam sensor and it was between 50-120 pounds. Which one do i have to buy? (All of them are compatible with my car?)
Can you send me a link of the sensor please?

Is it stopping whilst it is running and engine is hot or won't start when it's hot? If it stopping whilst running and then won't restart until its cold/cool then crank sensor must be top of the list. I've checked Rimmers in the UK, they for once have a reasonably priced crankshaft sensor and will ship to Turkey.

You really need a code reader to confirm fault location first otherwise it could get expensive with a hit or miss, scatter-gun approach.

[RodgerD]

The original crankshaft sensor came with it own flying lead, these have been superseded by a sensor and a plug in lead. Cheapest sensor is an after-market one at NSC106100P at £23.94, NSC106100 is the MGR part No and the P represents it's a pattern part. There is different link leads depending on if it's an automatic or manual, Auto YSB113980 or YSB114000.

Camshaft sensor part No NSC000310 and link lead YSB002390.

All the information can be found here http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-GRID001628.

Don't know what postage will be, look local first is my advice.

[og-soulja]

Thanks for the information.
My 75 has manual transmission.
So can we say this part is compatible with my car and would you recommend it? Also i saw that this item is new.

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-NSC106100P

This £19.95 and not so expensive.

(2000 model 1.8 Manual)




The original crankshaft sensor came with it own flying lead, these have been superseded by a sensor and a plug in lead. Cheapest sensor is an after-market one at NSC106100P at £23.94, NSC106100 is the MGR part No and the P represents it's a pattern part. There is different link leads depending on if it's an automatic or manual, Auto YSB113980 or YSB114000.

Camshaft sensor part No NSC000310 and link lead YSB002390.

All the information can be found here http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-GRID001628.

Don't know what postage will be, look local first is my advice.

[RodgerD]

Royal Mail, our national mail service can deliver for £12.51 to Turkey. http://www.royalmail.com/price-finder, advise Rimmers of this service.

Check you need the lead. The crankshaft sensor is mounted to the gearbox 'bell housing', remove the air cleaner box and look down the front of the engine/gearbox and you should see it. Check to see if the sensor you have fitted has an integral lead which will be the early type of sensor, or a lead that plugs directly into the sensor.

BTW this part is fitted to BMW's so you should be able to find it locally. Here's a list and compatible part No's http://www.spectroparts.com/products/Crankshaft-Position-Sensor-19125-1709616-12141709616-12141744492-Nsc106100/207509618

[trikey]

Maybe I should bring lots of spares whein im on Holiday in July ;)

[og-soulja]

I have just looked the sensor but i guess this is the wrong sensor. I have looked it before i had read your answer :duh:

http://i59.tinypic.com/xmmn1t.jpg

I removed the bonnet:

http://i61.tinypic.com/5miqdh.jpg

And saw the cable protector was worned:
http://i62.tinypic.com/14c8axz.jpg

I used adhesive tape (I don't know about this idea:})
http://i57.tinypic.com/rlgy7n.jpg

And this is the sensor what i guess
http://i59.tinypic.com/ve6e0g.jpg




Royal Mail, our national mail service can deliver for £12.51 to Turkey. http://www.royalmail.com/price-finder, advise Rimmers of this service.

Check you need the lead. The crankshaft sensor is mounted to the gearbox 'bell housing', remove the air cleaner box and look down the front of the engine/gearbox and you should see it. Check to see if the sensor you have fitted has an integral lead which will be the early type of sensor, or a lead that plugs directly into the sensor.

BTW this part is fitted to BMW's so you should be able to find it locally. Here's a list and compatible part No's http://www.spectroparts.com/products/Crankshaft-Position-Sensor-19125-1709616-12141709616-12141744492-Nsc106100/207509618

[RodgerD]

That's the camshaft sensor. Go to the air cleaner and look underneath it where the gearbox couples to the engine, you should see the crankshaft sensor. It looks very much like the camshaft sensor.

[og-soulja]

Thank you.
I will look it tomorrow and go to Rover service to make OBD connection.

But i didn't understand that what's the name of the sensor from my picture?

That's the camshaft sensor. Go to the air cleaner and look underneath it where the gearbox couples to the engine, you should see the crankshaft sensor. It looks very much like the camshaft sensor.

[og-soulja]

Yes. You can sell them in here.
Will you come to Ankara :}

Maybe I should bring lots of spares whein im on Holiday in July ;)

[og-soulja]

I have just came from Rover Service and they have tried to connect with OBD but we couldn't get the information that we need.

After the connection, we have tried to get ECU information but we saw this warning on the screen:

"We can't read or connect ECM information." (i couldn't remember but it was something like that)

They want to analyze ECU physically but I did not have much time.

What i have to do right now?

I think i have to renew crankshaft sensor instead of pick one's battles.

Thanks,
Hüseyin.

[RodgerD]

I have just came from Rover Service and they have tried to connect with OBD but we couldn't get the information that we need.

After the connection, we have tried to get ECU information but we saw this warning on the screen:

"We can't read or connect ECM information." (i couldn't remember but it was something like that)

They want to analyze ECU physically but I did not have much time.

What i have to do right now?

I think i have to renew crankshaft sensor instead of pick one's battles.

Thanks,
Hüseyin.

The reason they couldn't read the ECU might be because the connector on the car has been damaged. The terminations in the car side of the connector can spread if someone has used a paper clip to reset the service indicator, making communication impossible.

[og-soulja]

Connection was successful but while searching, i saw an error on the pc.
I think this is not a communication problem because it was started to search Ecu.

But i don't know what's ECM or EGM. (i couldn't remember the name of it)


The reason they couldn't read the ECU might be because the connector on the car has been damaged. The terminations in the car side of the connector can spread if someone has used a paper clip to reset the service indicator, making communication impossible.

[Mike Noc]

ECM is how Rover refer to the ECU for the engine - Engine Control Module.

[og-soulja]

I have just looked it and still i don't know which one is the crankshaft sensor :D

http://i62.tinypic.com/oh4bde.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/ap8v1f.jpg

[og-soulja]

I guess the red circle?

[og-soulja]

I will buy it according to your answers.
Help please.

[RodgerD]

Blue circle, you have an early type crankshaft sensor that is no longer available. You need the later type with the link harness. I've shown you where the crankshaft sensor is,please refer to the attachment in post No 20.; this being the later sensor which is all that is available. Rimmers have stack at around £19. plus you will need the short link cable to connect this sensor into the car's wiring.

[og-soulja]

Thank you so much.
I think this BMW sensor is same with mine.

Part number: NSC106100
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crankshaft-Position-Sensor-for-BMW-E36-E39-E46-E60-X5-X3-318i-320i-528i-530i-/171497921904?hash=item27ee129d70&vxp=mtr

I'm going to buy it?



Blue circle, you have an early type crankshaft sensor that is no longer available. You need the later type with the link harness. I've shown you where the crankshaft sensor is,please refer to the attachment in post No 20.; this being the later sensor which is all that is available. Rimmers have stack at around £19. plus you will need the short link cable to connect this sensor into the car's wiring.

[og-soulja]

Today i have gone to other local Rover mechanic and we connected the car to read the errors:
1) Camshaft sensor failed,
2) Crankshaft sensor failed.

So we have changed both of them and the problem has been solved. Everything is good up to now.
I couldn't find crankshaft sensor with harness anywhere. So i have compulsorily bought it from local service.


Camshaft engine sensor: 220 TL = 55.30 pounds

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-NSC000310

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Crankshaft sensor: 400 TL = 96.92 pounds

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-NSK100000L


I have calculated and saw that i earn only 13 pounds per day. (53 TLs)
You can easily see the difference between these two countries :D (UK and Turkey)

I have my 75 for about 1 year and i have paid so much for it. Sometimes i have thought to sell it but i love these cars. And also found a good web-site like this. These factors recycling me :}

Thank you all for helping!
Best regards.

Huseyin.

[RodgerD]

Today i have gone to other local Rover mechanic and we connected the car to read the errors:
1) Camshaft sensor failed,
2) Crankshaft sensor failed.

So we have changed both of them and the problem has been solved. Everything is good up to now.
I couldn't find crankshaft sensor with harness anywhere. So i have compulsorily bought it from local service.


Camshaft engine sensor: 220 TL = 55.30 pounds

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-NSC000310

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Crankshaft sensor: 400 TL = 96.92 pounds

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-NSK100000L


I have calculated and saw that i earn only 13 pounds per day. (53 TLs)
You can easily see the difference between these two countries :D (UK and Turkey)

I have my 75 for about 1 year and i have paid so much for it. Sometimes i have thought to sell it but i love these cars. And also found a good web-site like this. These factors recycling me :}

Thank you all for helping!
Best regards.

Huseyin.

Glad all sorted.

[FrenchMike]

Glad you're sorted but
statistically speaking,i doubt the both sensors died simultaneously :shrug:

may be have you disconnected one before check ?

[og-soulja]

No, we looked it together with OBD. First we erased the error codes and searched again. Camshaft engine sensor error still on. After changing it, we saw only crankshaft sensor error. So we decided to change both of them.



Glad you're sorted but
statistically speaking,i doubt the both sensors died simultaneously :shrug:

may be have you disconnected one before check ?

[Mike Noc]

Great you have got to the bottom of it. :D

Agree with FrenchMike unlikely that both sensors went south together - you've probably been driving around with a failed cam sensor for a bit and only when the crank sensor failed the engine stopped.

[andrewinpopayan]

No, we looked it together with OBD. First we erased the error codes and searched again. Camshaft engine sensor error still on. After changing it, we saw only crankshaft sensor error. So we decided to change both of them.


How hard is it to learn your language? I have done Spanish, Italian and Portugese.

[og-soulja]

Very easy.
I learned it when was 1 :}

Joking aside, Not so easy to learn it.
It's more difficult than English but i can help if you think :D

How hard is it to learn your language? I have done Spanish, Italian and Portugese.

[Anon3]

I think it's fantastic when you get a good ending with a story like this, especially with our foreign friends.
The marvels of technology :}