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Mr Edd
6th August 2010, 12:45
2 Din Cable Connections


First let me say that I am not an expert and this stuff is as new to me as it is to you. One of the reasons why I am posting this is to get answers and maybe; just maybe, help others to get some too.

The following is my experience on installing these 2 Din units which may differ from yours. Hopefully our combined efforts will be of some help to others.

I am installing the Chinese 2 Din Head Unit with all the toys which I bought of RadioGuy (Sean). I have to say from the outset I think it is a fantastic bit of kit. My only disappointment is the total lack of instructions for installing it. Now let me say from the start it is really fairly simple and most features are plug and play. But there are a myriad of different cables of all sorts of colours which; lets face it, do not match any of the cables in the cars loom. Quite understandable, but this is the main problem.

It seems that most peeps are having all sorts of trouble trying to figure out which cable from the unit connects to which cable in the cars loom behind the dashboard. I hope that between us we can sort this out and make this a reference point for future buyers.

First there are two main cable groups that come with the unit.

http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables18.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables18.jpg)

http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables10.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables10.jpg)

Each of these have numerous coloured cables most with labels. If you have the old BMW loom like this...

http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables21.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables21.jpg)

http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/plugs1.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/plugs1.jpg)


you will require an adaptor which allows all these cables to plug into the BMW loom. One of these...

http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/adaptor.jpg

Which you can get off eBay for about 99 pence plus 99 pence postage. Search for AUTOLEADS PC2-05-4 BMW TO ISO WIRING ADAPTOR (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290444225744&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT) Sorry but I can't guarantee this link will work forever. I suggest the first thing you do is pull the existing radio out and have a butchers at which loom you have. There doesn't seem to be a hard fast rule as to when the switchover from the old BMW connections to the ISO version.

If you have the ISO loom you will not require the adaptor. (Sorry I don't have a picture of the ISO loom)

Quote from RayKay...
The ISO loom has two 8 pin plugs, the same as the ISO end of the BMW to ISO adapter (sometimes, as in the adapter lead, they are joined together as a single 16 pin plug) Pins 4 -8 of the power plug and all 8 of the speaker plug are always the same, pins 1,2 & 3 of the power plug have no ISO designation and can be used for various functions, depending on the manufacturer.

Thanks RayKay

Now we have to identify each of the unit's strand of cables and try and work out which one connects to which wire in the loom.

First lets take a close look at this one (Mainly cos its simple)...



http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables22.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables22.jpg)


The obvious strands of cable are the Video-In and Audio-In and are suitably labelled. If you have a DVB-T TV box this will NOT be connected via these cables You will use the AUX ones for these which supply the TV and Audio signals to the main screen.

The Video-Out and Audio-Out are easy to figure. They should be connected to the appropriate cables. Such as... If you have additional screens on the back of the headrests they will be connected via these cables.. This means the kids in the back can watch a movie while you concentrate on driving (you are aren't you?).


http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables11.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables11.jpg)


This whole loom or cable plugs (Yellow/Green/Blue see the diagram on the back of the unit for more details) into the appropriate slots in the back of the unit. They are keyed so they will only fit in the correct socket, it is almost impossible to plug them into the wrong one.

This diagram on the back of the unit helps to show how these are plugged in. I would like to go into more detail on this...



http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/diagram.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/diagram.jpg)


You will find each cable labelled accordingly. Compare them to the diagram by their colours and if you want, number them according to the diagram.


1# http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables23.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables23.jpg)





http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables8.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables8.jpg)


Now this is where I have questions... In picture number 1# You can see each cable and its label. Does anyone know what the function of the Blue AMP-C is for? On the diagram it says ACC Power. I dunno what that means so if you do please explain. Also do we need to connect to it for anything?

Quote From RayKay...

The AMP-C is the output for an amplifier etc, it 12v live when the unit is switched on.

Thanks RayKay

From Edd... Some very interesting info from David Lawrence on this subject in the first responce to this post.

On the diagram look down the list of functions for each of these wires. Most are acronyms and I don't know what all of these stand for. I guess if we did then we would understand what the function will be. Can anyone enlighten us please; and if you don't mind explain what these functions are?

Again in image number 1# there are some other cables with labels. The Video-Input 1 and Video-Input 2 are self explanatory. This is where additional input devices will be plugged in. Now as you can see there is a label for Steering Wheel Key-2. I'll come to this in a short while.


Lets take a look at the next group of cables and their labels...

2#
http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables24.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables24.jpg)

Now we can see a couple of grey/black cables with the labels Video Out and Camera. I know that the reversing Camera is connected to the black one labelled Camera (more on this in my thread on Installing the Reversing Camera (http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=65718)) I guess the Video Output is for some other application; anyone want to tell us?

And then there is a brown one with the label Line Out Rear. I guess someone can also tells us what we could use that for too? I am guessing and think perhaps they are related to the rear screens on the headrests?


Now lets have a look at picture number 3#


3# http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables25.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables25.jpg)


Again there is one called "Grey Line Out Front" so tell us if you know what its for? There is a black cable with a label called Aux In. I plugged my DVB-T TV Box into this; yellow to yellow, red to red and white to white. These are for the video/audio signal from the TV box. So when you select Aux in the main menu on the 2 Din unit you will get the TV signal along with the sound of the TV show you are watching through these three cables. That is if you are getting a strong enough signal. I haven't yet (at time of writing) got this working. TV aerial signal is a big issue and will be addressed in another thread.

Now we get to the three Steering Wheel connections (the two here and the one in picture number 1# above). They are a green "Steering Key-1", a Black "Steering GND" and the one back in picture number 1# the Grey "Steering Key-2". I have already wired them into a chocolate box connector in anticipation of connecting them to the loom once I have discovered which cables I need to splice into.



I have now discovered which wire connects to which wire. See my post #39 below

So to clarify...

The Blue/Purple wire from the loom is for the output (Green wire "Steering Key-1" on the head unit) and the Blue/Orange wire from the loom is the Earth (Black wire on the head unit). These are the ones that have to be cut out of the red box and the loom and then spliced together.



http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables1.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables1.jpg)



http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables7.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables7.jpg)

These are the ones I am having problems with, understanding which cables in the car loom they connect to. There is also an option to configure this in the Systems section on the unit.


http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/screen3.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/screen3.jpg)


I have tried these but still no joy (more on these screens in another thread to follow). I think it is something to do with which these cables are attached to the wires on the car loom. If anyone can tell us which wires to splice these into then I am sure it will start to work.

Quote from RayKay...

The steering wheel control cables are Blue/Purple and Blue/Orange in the car's BMW plug, but are not continued through in the BMW to ISO adapter lead (two of the three empty sockets in the ISO plug)


Blue/Purple is for the output from the unit, Blue/Orange is Earth.


The 17 pin BMW to ISO adapter leads only have 13 cables as there is no ISO designation for the other three (pins 1,2 & 3) and can have various uses depending on the manufacturer, so they are not in the lead.


The plug in your picture is the ISO end of the lead, if you go to the other end there are 4 cavities, two of which will correspond with the Blue/Purple and Blue/Orange in the car loom 17 pin connector, they are the ones you need.


Thanks RayKay

Now we need to try and figure out where and what some of these other cables are used for and if we need them and if we do what we connect them too.

My guess is we have to splice some of the 2 Din Unit cables into any one of these cables (below) on the car loom.


http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables20.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables20.jpg)


Someone care to list the colour and function of each of these. If there is a wiring diagram of this socket then can it be published here with an explanation of them?

At this stage all I want to know is which wire the Steering Wheel cables above have to be spliced into? That is if it is any of these? They could be spliced into some other cables I am unaware of.

Now I want to talk about this little beggar...


http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables19.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables19.jpg)


This was mine with only 3 cables into it.

http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables14.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables14.jpg)


Another member (Mister Tomez) posted a photo of his and as you can see there a far more cables going into it.



http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables13.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables13.jpg)



I did get a list from Terry in Stourbridge of the wires that maybe connected via this little plug. But it seems they can differ in their location so I wont repeat it here just in case we get confused (not hard to do hey!).


What we have to concentrate on is the colours of the wires and what they do; not necessarily where they are located in the plug. These cars are now getting a bit old and have probably had a few modifications so the wires may have been relocated in the plug. I guess their individual colours will remain the same from manufacture and assembly. If the wires have been changed by a previous owner then I am afraid you will need an experienced auto electrician to sort them out. Evidence of change will be in strange connections and splices that will look totally different to any of my photos. And probably different colour identification combinations too. Sorry I can't help you in that scenario.


However, in my case, one I am pretty sure of is the Green with a Brown stripe.



http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/camera37.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/camera37.jpg)


This is the one that the Pink cable from the 2 Din Unit connects to. This is what operates the reversing camera automatically when you select reverse. Again refer to my thread in the link above about installing the reversing camera for more details.

So now what do the others do? The two Steering Cables from the 2 Din unit originally were connected into a red box type of connector.


http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables16.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables16.jpg)


I read in a few threads that other peeps had cut the red box off and connected the wires to the appropriate cables in the loom. The ones I still don't know which? Help!


I have tried connecting the Steering Key cables to the remaining two in the little plug thingy using different combinations but had no joy in getting the paddles to work. Fortunately I haven't blown any fuses or damaged any components but I think I have been lucky


http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables17.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables17.jpg)


I have now disconnected them and have them taped up until I can get some idea which ones I need to connect them too. If the appropriate wires are in any of the photos please copy and paste that particular photo into your reply and detail which ones they are. Thanks in anticipation.

So now lets look at some of the other wires on the second loom and what they do and where they connect...


There is a series of them... for instance what does this Park cable do?


http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables5.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables5.jpg)


I can't find any reference to Park in the diagram on the back of the unit. (Its a mystery to me said the gorilla ffrrraaattt)

Had a response from Bob (on t'other side) about the Park Cable...

I can't help you with most of the post Edd but I believe the park cable stops the units dvd player working unless the handbrake is on.It's to stop you watching a movie while you drive.I believe it is wired to the hand brake switch in some way.This can be connected so as this function is disabled, but that is illegal so i've been told.


There is also a GND one in light brown and another Key-1 in dark brown. What are they for? Even if we don't need them it is still nice to know why we have them. They could be useful to future users or installers. GND seems okay as I am sure we all know that means Ground as in Grounding to Earth. But what is Key-1 for?


http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables3.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables3.jpg)



I traced some of these cables back into the plug and discovered that there is no corresponding cable coming out of the back of the socket to the loom. Some of these are just to blank holes...



http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables4.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables4.jpg)


There seems to be a reference to them in the diagram but... To my mind not definitive enough to leave me comfortable without taping them up with insulation tape for protection in that jumble of wires that finish up getting shoved down the back of the unit behind the dash.

Any comments on these below?


http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables6.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables6.jpg)






http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables9.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables9.jpg)



If I have missed anything or totally got something wrong please correct the appropriate bit and I will include it in the above.

HOWEVER... Please don't quote the whole post including the pictures. If you want to comment on a particular bit including a picture just enter the quote code... [ quote ] without the spaces and then after the bit you have quoted type [ /quote ] without the spaces and you will have a quote box in your post with the bit you are quoting inside it. Makes it look so much better dun-it... Like this...


This is a quote box using the above code into which you can copy and paste anything you like from my cable discussion above


If you can answer any of mine and others questions and need to quote the appropriate bit. I will likewise post your answer within my thread using this method and you will be accredited with the answer.


Thanks


Edd

David Lawrence
6th August 2010, 13:14
Now this is where I have questions... In picture number 1# You can see each cable and its label. Does anyone know what the function of the Blue AMP-C is for? On the diagram it says ACC Power. I dunno what that means so if you do please explain. Also do we need to connect to it for anything?





I dont remember mine having an AMP-C wire loose in the thin harness. I think it means AMP control and on mine it was part of the main adaptor harness and not loose as yours shows. It supplies power out from the head unit to the aerial amplifier at the back of the car.

Where you show your wire coming from,on the diagram in my head units handbook it is marked "IR IN". Which I assume is if you wanted to supply a remote sensor input somehow, but I'm pretty sure this wire was not there at all on mine.

I certainly wouldn't connect it to anything if I were you. Have a look on page 46 of the handbook to see if your diagram there matches with the one on the back of the unit.

ACC power means a 12V input supply that turns on when the accessory position of the ignition key is selected. That should be a red wire according to my manual and not blue and in the harness of thicker wires not the thin one.
As for the "Brake" wire. If you want to set the system up so that it disables the screen controls except when the handbrake is on, you connect this up to the switch in the handbrake. Then you set it to ON on the menu. I wouldn't bother with this either.

Cant help with the steering controls as you seem to have some different connectors from your car, but in my case I cut off the red block as you mentioned and connected it up to 2 wires in the thicker harness out of the car, didnt need to do anything to set them up, they just worked first time. I don't have the BMW connector though.

I totally agree with how you connected up your DVB box, but another user on here said that he needed to use the VIDEO IN to get his working, but I used AUX the same as you have.

raykay
6th August 2010, 13:28
The ISO loom has two 8 pin plugs, the same as the ISO end of the BMW to ISO adapter (sometimes, as in the adapter lead, they are joined together as a single 16 pin plug) Pins 4 -8 of the power plug and all 8 of the speaker plug are always the same, pins 1,2 & 3 of the power plug have no ISO designation and can be used for various functions, depending on the manufacturer.

The AMP-C is the output for an amplifier etc, it 12v live when the unit is switched on.

The steering wheel control cables are Blue/Purple and Blue/Orange in the car's BMW plug, but are not continued through in the BMW to ISO adapter lead (two of the three empty sockets in the ISO plug)
Blue/Purple is for the output from the unit, Blue/Orange is Earth.

Radioguy
6th August 2010, 22:32
can't find any reference to Park in the diagram on the back of the unit. (Its a mystery to me said the gorilla ffrrraaattt)

This is for the HAND Brake, Wire this to the GROUND (Earth) to allow for viewing of the Unit While the car is in Motion.

Edd, Do you have Infrared Steering wheel Control or Hard Wired?

Are you getting a message when you are mobile that you cannot view DVD's or TV ?

Mr Edd
7th August 2010, 08:19
This is for the HAND Brake, Wire this to the GROUND (Earth) to allow for viewing of the Unit While the car is in Motion.


Already had a response to that and now things are a bit clearer. I haven't connected it but I haven't tried to view a DVD while driving so it hasn't been an issue.

However, how would this work if you had screens on the headrest for the kids to view a movie in the back?

Edd, Do you have Infrared Steering wheel Control or Hard Wired?

I haven't a clue? How do I find out?

Are you getting a message when you are mobile that you cannot view DVD's or TV ?

No but as I said above I haven't tried yet. Something else to give me an excuse to go for a drive. ;)

Edd

Mr Edd
7th August 2010, 08:48
The steering wheel control cables are Blue/Purple and Blue/Orange in the car's BMW plug, but are not continued through in the BMW to ISO adapter lead (two of the three empty sockets in the ISO plug)
Blue/Purple is for the output from the unit, Blue/Orange is Earth.


Thanks RayKay for this info. If I may ask another stupid question.

When you say they are not continue through. is it these...


I traced some of these cables back into the plug and discovered that there is no corresponding cable coming out of the back of the socket to the loom. Some of these are just to blank holes...




http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables4.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables4.jpg)


As you can see the colours are different...

So can I just plug them in here or am I better off splicing them into the colour coordinated cables? Just in case these are not the right ones.

Thanks for your input. I have put these into the post.

Edd

ceedy
7th August 2010, 08:55
Ref steering bits


haven't a clue? How do I find out?
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If you have a Small rectangular LED in the Eyebrow above the radio . then its an IR system...

my Erising 962 had a whole section 1.5 pages on setting up the steering controls and I've read it through and through and its complete gibberish..
I emailed the makers and their reply wasn't much better and compaered to how I got it working.. completely wrong ?:shrug:.

With my IR connection I used both wires marked key 1&2 and connected them to 2 wires going into the IR Module ( removing the IR box altogether).
But 75's are mostly hard wired aren't they ??
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So IMO , with all these units the Chinglish manuals are mostly helpfullish , but generally useless and potentially dangerous when getting down to the important details ?, especially when you could risk smoking your unit or your cars wiring ... Its just not good enough, for those less experienced in electrickery !! !!
mini rant over!! ;)

So this sort thread is going to be the most useful source of info from other who have had similar experiences and sucesses/failures :bowdown:

Chris :getmecoat:

Mr Edd
7th August 2010, 09:12
Thanks Ceedy... You have put into words all the things that were frustrating me. Talk about lost in translation.

I am going to take pictures of all the screens in the unit and try and get explanations of what the do.

That will be the subject of another thread.

I do hope this thread will be of use to some people as it has been hard work... Not just the installation but the deciphering of the Chinglish (love that)

I don't have the IR thingy in the eyebrow

Edd

ceedy
7th August 2010, 09:20
When I edit the original post it seems to me that addition quotes are appearing and extra line breaks. It looks like extra spaces between paragraphs.

I am not doing that

How does it look to you?

Thanks

Edd

Thought something was amiss as I couldn't get any quotes to appear in my reply !! :shrug:

Mr Edd
7th August 2010, 09:28
Thought something was amiss as I couldn't get any quotes to appear in my reply !! :shrug:


I have just trawled through the whole thing and edited out all the extra lines spaces.

Looks a bit better now.

I deleted the post you quoted but that is okay.

Edd

raykay
7th August 2010, 10:09
Thanks RayKay for this info. If I may ask another question. When you say they are not continue through.
Edd

The 17 pin BMW to ISO adapter leads only have 13 cables as there is no ISO designation for the other three (pins 1,2 & 3) and can have various uses depending on the manufacturer, so they are not in the lead.

The plug in your picture is the ISO end of the lead, if you go to the other end there are 4 cavities, two of which will correspond with the Blue/Purple and Blue/Orange in the car loom 17 pin connector, they are the ones you need.

Mr Edd
7th August 2010, 10:55
Thanks again RayKay

I have printed all this info out and I am now going out to play.

I will report back when finished.

Edd

Mr Edd
7th August 2010, 18:16
Well just spent all afternoon and it still isn't working. I have tried all sorts of combinations with these wires and nada.

I even plugged the old harmony back in and it worked fine while I had the Blue/Purple and the Blue/Orange wires connected but stopped working when I disconnected them.

But nothing with the 2 Din unit.

I blew a fuse once so had to replace the F22 15 amp fuse.

Also still haven't got the DVB-T box working either.

At a loss, I dunno what to do next.

Edd

David Lawrence
7th August 2010, 19:08
Well just spent all afternoon and it still isn't working. I have tried all sorts of combinations with these wires and nada.

I even plugged the old harmony back in and it worked fine while I had the Blue/Purple and the Blue/Orange wires connected but stopped working when I disconnected them.

But nothing with the 2 Din unit.

I blew a fuse once so had to replace the F22 15 amp fuse.

Also still haven't got the DVB-T box working either.

At a loss, I dunno what to do next.

Edd


What you say about putting the harmony back in shows that the Blue/purple and Blue/orange wires are the right ones from the car side, but you dont say which wires on the HU you connected to them. I used the two wires that were originally in the red block.

What the problem with your DVB-T ? Is it powering up? I dont know what kind of box you've got, but the one I got from china came with no battery in the remote. It had a little plastic remove tag which made me think there was one in it, so I was furiously pressing the remote but couldnt get the box to power up until I thought to check it. Have you got a portable telly you can try confirming the box actually works with?

As I mentioned before, another member on here said that he could only get his DVB box working by using the Video In connections instead of the AUX like mine. I'm suspicious that the factories are maybe labelling some of the wires up differently. Your AMP-C wire is another one I'm suspicious of. I'm pretty certain I didn't have one of those.

Mr Edd
7th August 2010, 20:50
The DVB-T box I got off Sean works if I put the house aerial into it. I got quite a few channels and I saw that there were digital radio channels as well.

I watched some of the TV channels but I didn't try any radio ones. I changed the aerial for another and I bought an additional one of eBay which also didn't work.

I bought another DVB-T box and it was the same and in fact I got even more channels than the one from Sean. Again it worked well with the house aerial. But nothing from the mobile aerials.

As for the wheel paddles working with the Harmony unit that was why I tried it and it worked except when I disconnected the two wires.

The wires I have connected from the head unit are the two I cut from the red box. A green one and a Black one.

I have also tried the cables with the labels that say Steering Key1 and Steering Key 2. No joy.

I didn't have any problems with the remotes.

As I said in my OP I used the Aux cables to attach to the box and I have no problems withvision or sound. Just getting a signal through these cheap aerials is the issue.

Edd

Radioguy
7th August 2010, 20:55
Edd,
Please dumb this down for me.

I will take it to the factory and see if I can get a response.

On the DVB-T I still dont understand, Please try David's things. I have another HI QUALITY to 250 KM hour Model which is more tha double the price, maybe we can work something out if those ones that you have are not working.

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss180/GHtrading/DVB-0102HD.jpg

Radioguy
7th August 2010, 21:05
Well just spent all afternoon and it still isn't working. I have tried all sorts of combinations with these wires and nada.

I even plugged the old harmony back in and it worked fine while I had the Blue/Purple and the Blue/Orange wires connected but stopped working when I disconnected them.

But nothing with the 2 Din unit.

I blew a fuse once so had to replace the F22 15 amp fuse.

Also still haven't got the DVB-T box working either.

At a loss, I dunno what to do next.

Edd

The blue/orange and the blue/purple steering wheel control wires are in the main iso block of the car loom so remove them from there.
Cut the red connector off on the radio end and connect the black wire to the blue/purple wire and the green wire to the blue/orange wire.Now go into the setup menu and set the controls to how you want them.Operate one of the controls on the wheel while you press the icon on the screen you want it to operate and the icon will turn blue not red as stated in the manual then do the same for the rest of the controls then press save and it should now work.

For the steering wheel control the only wires you have to connect to the cars wiring are the two connected to the red connector on the units fly-lead.Ignore any separate wires with steering labels on them.

Here is the Video Again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsQPUUiMyN4

Mr Edd
7th August 2010, 21:07
Hi Sean

As I have said it works with my House aerial but not with the mobile ones.

I have tried it all over Shropshire with no joy.

So the box works just not the aerial.

Edd

Mr Edd
7th August 2010, 21:12
The blue/orange and the blue/purple steering wheel control wires are in the main iso block of the car loom so remove them from there.
Cut the red connector off on the radio end and connect the black wire to the blue/purple wire and the green wire to the blue/orange wire.Now go into the setup menu and set the controls to how you want them.Operate one of the controls on the wheel while you press the icon on the screen you want it to operate and the icon will turn blue not red as stated in the manual then do the same for the rest of the controls then press save and it should now work.

For the steering wheel control the only wires you have to connect to the cars wiring are the two connected to the red connector on the units fly-lead.Ignore any separate wires with steering labels on them.

Here is the Video Again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsQPUUiMyN4

http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables16.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables16.jpg)


I have done all of that and tried different combinations of the connections without joy.

I have reset the setting in the wheel tab many times. Trying holding the wheel button and trying pressing the icons on the screen and then pressing the buttons on the wheel. and vis-a-versa Nada.

Yet it works okay with my old Harmony unit.

Edd

Radioguy
7th August 2010, 21:35
http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables16.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables16.jpg)


I have done all of that and tried different combinations of the connections without joy.

I have reset the setting in the wheel tab many times. Trying holding the wheel button and trying pressing the icons on the screen and then pressing the buttons on the wheel. and vis-a-versa Nada.

Yet it works okay with my old Harmony unit.

Edd

Edd Do you have DIRECT Wired or INFRARED Steering Controls?

Mr Edd
7th August 2010, 21:41
I believe it is direct wire. But only because of the posts above when one of the guys said the IR LED is in the eyebrow and didn't have that.

Edd

Radioguy
7th August 2010, 21:48
I believe it is direct wire. But only because of the posts above when one of the guys said the IR LED is in the eyebrow and didn't have that.

Edd

From another user that had similar problems

Found the wires for IRDA steering They were hidden in a black sleve coming from main loom.

Mr Edd
7th August 2010, 21:55
From another user that had similar problems

Found the wires for IRDA steering They were hidden in a black sleve coming from main loom.


Yep... I tried them... This from my post above...


However, in my case, one I am pretty sure of is the Green with a Brown stripe.




http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/camera37.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/camera37.jpg)




This is the one that the Pink cable from the 2 Din Unit connects to. This is what operates the reversing camera automatically when you select reverse. Again refer to my thread in the link above about installing the reversing camera for more details.


So now what do the others do? The two Steering Cables from the 2 Din unit originally were connected into a red box type of connector.





http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables16.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables16.jpg)




I read in a few threads that other peeps had cut the red box off and connected the wires to the appropriate cables in the loom.



I tried these two wires with the two cut from the red box. Nada. I tried all the combinations too.

Edd

Radioguy
7th August 2010, 21:59
Yep... I tried them... This from my post above...



I tried these two wires with the two cut from the red box. Nada. I tried all the combinations too.

Edd[/LEFT]

SO the Infrared Wires are there? If so try
For Infrared Steering wheel Controls
blue lead from the new unit to the blue/pink (Could that be your Blue Purple?) one that attaches into the infra red control box.
It is a Little white box which is the steering wheel remote control module(cruise control and /or radio controls) behind the old stereo

raykay
7th August 2010, 22:00
It is only the ZT with the Kenwood unit that has the Infra-Red system, all the others are hard wired - through the 17 pin BMW connector in the Harmony (as in Mr Edd's), the ISO connector in the Symphony, or on their own in a green mini ISO connector in the later single DIN units.

Mr Edd
7th August 2010, 22:06
SO the Infrared Wires are there? If so try
For Infrared Steering wheel Controls
blue lead from the new unit to the blue/pink (Could that be your Blue Purple?) one that attaches into the infra red control box.
It is a Little white box which is the steering wheel remote control module(cruise control and /or radio controls) behind the old stereo


I don't have them... In red

Edd

Radioguy
7th August 2010, 22:16
I don't have them... In red

Edd


If I remember right, You installed the BMW Connector too?

raykay
7th August 2010, 22:34
Mr Edd had a Harmony unit which has the steering wheel control cables in the 17 pin BMW connector on the car loom, he has used a a BMW to ISO adapter lead to connect to his new unit and extended the steering wheel control cables from the original car loom connector as they are not in the adapter lead.

David Lawrence
8th August 2010, 05:29
Hi Sean

As I have said it works with my House aerial but not with the mobile ones.

I have tried it all over Shropshire with no joy.

So the box works just not the aerial.

Edd




Where have you tried locating the aerials? They are very sensitive to careful siting. Took me a long time to get anywhere with it, but finally got there in the end. They go from absolutely no signal to quite a good signal with only a small re-aligning, especially if you're only using a single input box. Was it you who stuck it in the high level brake light?

Mr Edd
8th August 2010, 05:59
Mr Edd had a Harmony unit which has the steering wheel control cables in the 17 pin BMW connector on the car loom, he has used a a BMW to ISO adapter lead to connect to his new unit and extended the steering wheel control cables from the original car loom connector as they are not in the adapter lead.


Thanks RayKay for putting it so succinctly...


I used to teach computers to mature students and would start my classes by trying to explain how they work or think.

I would illustrate this by telling them that the world was being visited by aliens (computers) and that the government had allocated each of us to lodge an Alain so that they could learn how we live etc. And that we should just live our normal lives.

The following morning a flying saucer would land in our front gardens and we should make the alien feel at home.

We welcome them in and then tell them we have to go to work so make themselves at home and make a cup of tea.

The alien says "What's a cup of tea?"

I would then ask the class to describe how they make a cup of tea.

The usual responces came with first ..

Put water in kettle and switch it on, then put tea in pot then. then poor boiling water onto the tea and add milk and sugar to taste.

The alien then asked "What is a kettle?"

What I was trying to illustrate was algorithms. A computer works by doing things in sequence. Multi tasking is a myth.

Invariably I would get one student who would put their hand up and say "What happens if you haven't got a front garden?"


This is the problem with communicating via this medium; made all the more difficult by the interjections from many others who are asking what if's such as what if I haven't got a front garden..

Most of the problems I am having are in my original post. It is just that I have the algorithm the wrong way round and I need someone to say "A" "B" "C" rather than "2" "3" "1" out of sequence.

I know I am being a bit anal about this but part of it is the form of communication we are using.

I know with the help from you guys I will eventually get my cup of tea.

Thanks

Edd

Mr Edd
8th August 2010, 06:25
Where have you tried locating the aerials? They are very sensitive to careful siting. Took me a long time to get anywhere with it, but finally got there in the end. They go from absolutely no signal to quite a good signal with only a small re-aligning, especially if you're only using a single input box. Was it you who stuck it in the high level brake light?


Yes it was me. I did that on the advise from someone on here. I have tried it sitting on the bonnet (magnetic base) and on the boot. I have tried it in the front screen and in the back screen. High and low. I have travelled all over the place and parked on high hills and low hills but nothing. I have three aerials and tried them all as above.

The only time I get a signal is when I plug my house aerial into the box.

That could be a bit limiting as to how far I can travel from home with a CoAx umbilical.

Everything you ever wanted to know about TV signals can be found here

Cable Info (http://www.aerialsandtv.com/cableandleads.html#LowLossCoAx)

Edd

David Lawrence
8th August 2010, 07:24
Yes it was me. I did that on the advise from someone on here. I have tried it sitting on the bonnet (magnetic base) and on the boot. I have tried it in the front screen and in the back screen. High and low. I have travelled all over the place and parked on high hills and low hills but nothing. I have three aerials and tried them all as above.


Edd


Its unlikely that you have 3 duff aerials. When you tried capese's aerial how did you power it up?

Mr Edd
8th August 2010, 08:17
Its unlikely that you have 3 duff aerials. When you tried capese's aerial how did you power it up?


This is from my thread on installing the wirless camers...


http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/radio/camera/camera36.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/radio/camera/camera36.jpg)


The connector near my little finger is the power source for all my little toys. In this electrical connector are the power cables for the Reversing Camera Receiver, the DVB-T TV box and the power source for the amplified aerial. These cables came from the main loom and are Red for power and Black for neutral. As these were already spliced into the main loom it was simple to use them as the power source for all my toys. You may have to get your power from another source. Perhaps run them back to the fuse array behind the glove box. Hopefully an auto electrician reading this maybe able to help with where to get the power from.



Edd

Mr Edd
8th August 2010, 11:34
Just been up to Maplins to enquire about another aerial. I was particularly interested in the twin ones as most here seem to have less issues with them.

They didn't have any so I came away without.

Had an interesting chat with one of the guys there and he said it seems most people are having problems with these DVB-T boxes and their signals.

Seems to me that it looks like this stuff could be a growth industry and if someone can find a solution they could get quite a bit of business from car forums.

I think a bit more research is required into this issue.

Edd

David Lawrence
8th August 2010, 17:44
Just been up to Maplins to enquire about another aerial. I was particularly interested in the twin ones as most here seem to have less issues with them.

They didn't have any so I came away without.

Had an interesting chat with one of the guys there and he said it seems most people are having problems with these DVB-T boxes and their signals.

Edd



I am at a loss to explain your complete lack of signals except from your house aerial. When I got my first box, and my magmount diddy little aerial that came with it, the only place I could get a signal was on the roof, but I did at least pick up some stations(about 4 channels). Then I had a Wittenberg mobile duo which was a twin aerial which fed in to a combiner. This I had a lot of trouble with, but finally got some life from it (About 8 channels), then from Capeses amplified aerial I got more success again(12 channels) except it clashed with my rear sunblind so had to take it off, then when I went to a twin input box which is a diversity type box I had much more success(It gets maybe 50 or 60 channels) but I always got at least something.
You can't be so unlucky as to have 3 bad aerials, My advice would be to first persevere with the magmount one which is at least uni-directional and stick it on the roof for testing rather than the bonnet or the boot. After you get that working the next best one I found was Capese's one which you stuck in the brake light, I would try taking it out of the brake light and sticking it on the top of the rear screen so that it is clear view from both front and back. Stick it passenger side, as I found that on the drivers side my head from the drivers seat blocked out some signals. As I said before, with these aerials you either get something that works, or you get absolutely nothing, and the difference in position between the two extremes can sometimes be tiny.
I think you are right that there may be a gap in the market for this type of thing, but I imagine that the solution would be so ugly and intrusive as to be undesirable finally. I recon you'd need an aerial on each face of the car, and an electronic diversity system to pluck the strongest one at all times, then a kind of "Alternate frequency" for TV, to switch to the strongest transmitter for each station.
Finally I think the best you can expect is to be able to pick up something from the nearest transmitter wherever you park up. I get reasonable reception on the move on long straight roads where there are no obstructions such as trees/bridges etc
However, since we're not supposed to watch TV on the move it's unlikely anyone will bother developing a solution.

Mr Edd
8th August 2010, 18:01
However, since we're not supposed to watch TV on the move it's unlikely anyone will bother developing a solution.


I have been searching the net and reading a lot of stuff which has given me a few ideas. I am going to experiment tomorrow and will report back hopefully with some success.

I have also invited a guy from Sheffield who is a TV signal specialist to pop into this forum and he may offer some advice if he comes.

I am still convinced that I will get there eventually. I think it is a matter of how you hold your mouth.

Edd

T C G 1
8th August 2010, 20:56
Hi edd, i have had my double din unit since last december, i have a dvt-t box fitted and recieve very good pictures from my aerial. if you pm me,may be we can meet, and show my aerial.

Mr Edd
9th August 2010, 08:27
Hi edd, i have had my double din unit since last december, i have a dvt-t box fitted and recieve very good pictures from my aerial. if you pm me,may be we can meet, and show my aerial.


That would be great.

Thanks

PM coming

Edd

PS I have tried to PM you but the messaging service on this site is broken. Been like this for a while as it wouldn't work a few days ago when trying to contact Tony Fry.

Can you try to PM me but don't hold your breath.

Mr Edd
9th August 2010, 08:31
CLANG!

That's the sound of a very large penny that has just dropped.

It now works. The paddle controls now work because of a post by genpk's on t'other side.:bowdown:

I was paranoid about what I would connect the Steering GND wire too and I was earthing it rather than connecting it to the correct cable.

I know nothing about electrickery but I know that anything labeled ground has to be grounded... DOH!

I guess this was something else lost in translation in the Chinglish instructions. (love these words)

So to clarify...

The Blue/Purple wire from the loom is for the output (Green wire "Steering Key-1" on the head unit) and the Blue/Orange wire from the loom is the Earth (Black wire on the head unit). These are the ones that have to be cut out of the red box and the loom and then spliced together.


http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables1.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables1.jpg)
Obvious init!

I have just reread most of the above and it has been mentioned before, but when I'm in a brain fug I miss the wood for the trees. Now I know - it is obvious init!

The grey "Steering Key-2" Cable is not used. But why is it there and why is it labeled "Steering Key-2"? I think it was this that caused the confusion.

The Steering Wheel Paddles now work.... Yippee! we got there in the end.

Edd <Just being a numpty>

tony_fry
9th August 2010, 14:49
Hello Mr Edd

I know this is not the right section, but I found this on the bay of flee's I don't know if it will help with you DVB-T problem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ANTENA-RADIO-FM-GPS-GSM-TV-TDT-DVB-T-TIBURON-SHARK-/360286240536?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_186&hash=item53e2bbbf18

MARKUK
9th August 2010, 16:59
CLANG!

That's the sound of a very large penny that has just dropped.

It now works. The paddle controls now work because of a post by genpk's on t'other side.:bowdown:

I was paranoid about what I would connect the Steering GND wire too and I was earthing it rather than connecting it to the correct cable.

I know nothing about electrickery but I know that anything labeled ground has to be grounded... DOH!

I guess this was something else lost in translation in the Chinglish instructions. (love these words)

So to clarify...

The Blue/Purple wire from the loom is for the output (Green wire "Steering Key-1" on the head unit) and the Blue/Orange wire from the loom is the Earth (Black wire on the head unit). These are the ones that have to be cut out of the red box and the loom and then spliced together.


http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables1.jpg (http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/cables/cables1.jpg)
Obvious init!

I have just reread most of the above and it has been mentioned before, but when I'm in a brain fug I miss the wood for the trees. Now I know - it is obvious init!

The grey "Steering Key-2" Cable is not used. But why is it there and why is it labeled "Steering Key-2"? I think it was this that caused the confusion.

The Steering Wheel Paddles now work.... Yippee! we got there in the end.

Edd <Just being a numpty>


Edd,

How about a pic of the finished connection ?..

Mark

Mr Edd
9th August 2010, 17:30
Edd,

How about a pic of the finished connection ?..

Mark


Next time I get the head unit out of the dash I'll take a picture.

Just got to get the Aerial working on the DVB-T box.

Edd

MARKUK
9th August 2010, 17:43
Cheers Edd,

Would be most useful !...

I have never got my controls to work with my Xtron single din so if yours are working with the new unit from Sean ,
that will be great..Having said that, I can reach everything as it is, just want everything to work !...

Maybe another one of your "How To" posts like the reversing camera would be in order ?...

Looking forward to getting my kit and having a weekend to install it all !..

Mark

David Lawrence
9th August 2010, 18:04
Next time I get the head unit out of the dash I'll take a picture.

Just got to get the Aerial working on the DVB-T box.

Edd



excellent news, what did you do?

T C G 1
9th August 2010, 20:19
That would be great.

Thanks

PM coming

Edd

PS I have tried to PM you but the messaging service on this site is broken. Been like this for a while as it wouldn't work a few days ago when trying to contact Tony Fry.

Can you try to PM me but don't hold your breath.
hi edd, have tried to PM no luck, will keep trying.

Mr Edd
9th August 2010, 21:19
hi edd, have tried to PM no luck, will keep trying.


The messaging service on here has been broken for a while.

try my email address.

mredd at mredd.me.uk

I will delete this in an hour or so.

Edd

Mr Edd
9th August 2010, 21:20
excellent news, what did you do?


See my post above with the large red letters Clang!

Edd

kissifer1972
9th August 2010, 23:39
Edd

Am about to fit another make of double din unit which has 2 wires for steering wheel controls.

My question is which loom did you take the Blue/Purple and Blue/Orange wires from?? Is it the loom that goes to the large BMW plug or another?

I currently have Hi-Line and Harmon Kardon in mine so there's a lot of wires behind there.

Chris

EDIT - just re-read this thread and I see they are in the car side of the BMW connector, but also into the remote box for my cruise and stereo controls.

Mr Edd
12th August 2010, 16:43
Edd

My question is which loom did you take the Blue/Purple and Blue/Orange wires from?? Is it the loom that goes to the large BMW plug or another?

Chris

EDIT - just re-read this thread and I see they are in the car side of the BMW connector, but also into the remote box for my cruise and stereo controls.

This just to clarify...

Mine had been modified by the previous owner apparently for his phone.

The main loom into the BMW plug had three wires spliced into it...

http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/mcables/power4.jpg

Initially I figured that the Red wire was power (which it is but never goes off) splice into the Purple Pink cable in the loom. So I plugged my toys into that. Consequently they never went off when I turned the engine off and removed the keys.

I have now plugged the toys into the Blue wire which is spliced into the Yellow White cable in the loom. Now the toys go off when I remove the key.

I noticed that the DVB-T box switches itself on automatically when I turn the key. Even if I don't want to watch TV.

I was wondering if there is way of it not powering up until I want it to. By using the remote instead???


Just wondering .

Edd

MARKUK
12th August 2010, 16:53
I think the issue we will have here is that maybe different people who have owned our cars before us have made various mods to the wiring looms and what one person sees may not be what someone else has !...

I am holding off looking at mine until my new unit arrives as then I will take everything out and have a proper look but am watching with interest what you are doing Edd !..

I guess your issue with teh DVB -T box could be rectified by using the remote to turn it off, or possibly run via a switch ?...

Mark

Mr Edd
12th August 2010, 17:21
As I say it is no biggy thing. Just that in the back of my mind when I jump into the car I know the TV is on and I am not watching it. A bit like leaving it on at home when you go out.

I know I can switch it off with the remote but that would require changing the Mode to TV so I can see that it has gone off. A bit fiddly for such a simple thing.

perhaps it could be put as a suggestion Sean could ask the manufacturers about.

Just another thing... The Band button on the unit when pressed takes you through all the bands. Would it be possible to make it into a toggle switch so that you can go back and forth through the bands instead of having to go through all the bands to get back to the first one.

I also noticed that when I start up the radio comes on at the last station I was listening too when I turned it off. That is fine I have no problems with that. But if I go into another mode and then I want to go back to the radio it defaults back to FM 1. I then have to scroll through all the bands to get back to the station I was first listening to.

Is there a setting that will fix this?

Edd

MARKUK
12th August 2010, 17:25
As I say it is no biggy thing. Just that in the back of my mind when I jump into the car I know the TV is on and I am not watching it. A bit like leaving it on at home when you go out.

I know I can switch it off with the remote but that would require changing the Mode to TV so I can see that it has gone off. A bit fiddly for such a simple thing.

perhaps it could be put as a suggestion Sean could ask the manufacturers about.

Just another thing... The Band button on the unit when pressed takes you through all the bands. Would it be possible to make it into a toggle switch so that you can go back and forth through the bands instead of having to go through all the bands to get back to the first one.

I also noticed that when I start up the radio comes on at the last station I was listening too when I turned it off. That is fine I have no problems with that. But if I go into another mode and then I want to go back to the radio it defaults back to FM 1. I then have to scroll through all the bands to get back to the station I was first listening to.

Is there a setting that will fix this?

Edd

Sounds like a software thing...

I don't have one of these yet so can't help I'm affraid...but when I do I will be giving it a good going over to check out the ins and outs etc...

One for Tony or Sean methinks !

Mark

phenonix
15th September 2010, 21:39
Just about to do this install for Bootie to get the steering controls to work, it has been 9 months since i did my own so could someone remind me please.

Blue/orange and Blue/purple in the iso plug that the chinese units steering controls are linked to

Do i...
Cut the iso plug wires completely or just tap into them

If the wires are not cut i'm sure there would be a conflict of signals :shrug:

The corresponding pins in the chinese unit are...
1 and 4
Manual brake testing line
and
ACC power

what controls these functions if they have no input with the wires cut?

tony_fry
16th September 2010, 06:53
Just about to do this install for Bootie to get the steering controls to work, it has been 9 months since i did my own so could someone remind me please.

Blue/orange and Blue/purple in the iso plug that the chinese units steering controls are linked to

Do i...
Cut the iso plug wires completely or just tap into them

If the wires are not cut i'm sure there would be a conflict of signals :shrug:

The corresponding pins in the chinese unit are...
1 and 4
Manual brake testing line
and
ACC power

what controls these functions if they have no input with the wires cut?

HI Joe
Steering Control

ISO PLUG
Blue/ Orange to Green (On Red Plug)
Blue/ Purple to Black (On Red Plug)

Mr Edd
16th September 2010, 06:56
From memory I cut mine as there didn't seem to be a corresponding connection to the 2-Din Unit...

http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/mcables/steering1.jpg

http://www.deadgooey.co.uk/images/mcables/power2.jpg

I extended mine as the cables from the loom were too short to allow the unit to pull right out while working on it. Hence the blue and brown cables from a bit of old flex I pulled of a household appliance.

Since this picture was taken I have rewired with smaller chocolate box connectors I bought at B&Q. Also make sure the screws are really contacting the wire. Mine stopped working after a few days and when I went back to have a look a couple of the connections had the screws sitting on the insulation and so they eventually lost a firm contact.

HTH

Edd

phenonix
18th September 2010, 08:12
Thanks for that
All finished , a successful install but....

When the controls are set and saved sometimes it remembered them but a couple of times it forgot and "volume up" became "mode"
going back into settings the saved setting where still there, hit reset , saved controls again, all back to normal but expecting it to forget again, anyone experienced this?

I had the same issue last December, see post 365

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=48978&highlight=arrived+installed&page=37

but that was when i tapped in, not cut, but today we cut and it is still happening.

Any suggestions?

phenonix
18th September 2010, 08:38
Bootie just called me on his way home, seems there is no sound from radio with the satnav on, unfortunately did not test this before he left, as his unit is a newer model than mine, there are less cables as they are now built into the back of the unit i'm not sure what need to be done.

Tony, i know you have one of the latest, this one is Wince6

MARKUK
18th September 2010, 10:49
Bootie just called me on his way home, seems there is no sound from radio with the satnav on, unfortunately did not test this before he left, as his unit is a newer model than mine, there are less cables as they are now built into the back of the unit i'm not sure what need to be done.

Tony, i know you have one of the latest, this one is Wince6

He probably needs to hold the satnav selection button for a couple of seconds and the selct "multi" then he will have sound / music

bootie
18th September 2010, 12:24
Thanks joe,
I just need to identify which button I posted a reply to Mark asking if it were the top left button or one on the screen...

bootie
18th September 2010, 12:26
Anyhow at least its something to try I will give it a go in the morning and get back to you!
Alf

wuzerk
11th December 2011, 13:35
A small query. Tony Fry and Mr Edd both say that the steering wheel leads are Blue/Orange to Green and Blue/Purple to Black but, in Mr Edds lower pic above they are reversed??

StuBlake13
11th December 2011, 14:06
A small query. Tony Fry and Mr Edd both say that the steering wheel leads are Blue/Orange to Green and Blue/Purple to Black but, in Mr Edds lower pic above they are reversed??

Don't go off Mr Edds wire colours as he had to use some of his own that he had lying about to extend the wire. You are right with what you say and a simple case of cutting each and crimping them together will do the job nicely.

wuzerk
11th December 2011, 14:08
Ok thanks, I am awaiting delivery of my 2 Din from Sean and am trying to get as organized as possible.

StuBlake13
11th December 2011, 14:14
Ok thanks, I am awaiting delivery of my 2 Din from Sean and am trying to get as organized as possible.

Android Unit or WinCE 6 unit?

wuzerk
11th December 2011, 18:37
IT is a second hand non android with RDS. Perhaps you could help me with the USB and SD card sizes. I see from the pics that the USB socket is very small, would that be classed as mini or micro? Ditto the SD card thanks.

StuBlake13
11th December 2011, 22:12
IT is a second hand non android with RDS. Perhaps you could help me with the USB and SD card sizes. I see from the pics that the USB socket is very small, would that be classed as mini or micro? Ditto the SD card thanks.

Its a mini usb scoket but it should come with a lead to to convert mini to standard USB. Also the SD card size is micro sd as used in many mobile phones.

wuzerk
12th December 2011, 10:40
Its a mini usb scoket but it should come with a lead to to convert mini to standard USB. Also the SD card size is micro sd as used in many mobile phones.

Ok thanks, i will buy some micro SD s.

steve1
9th May 2013, 10:41
I realise this thread has been redundant for some time but I used it as a reference to wire my steering controls on my cdti diesel with the above xtrons dd. I had the original instructions from xtrons which were useless to be honest, found the blue/orange and blue/green wires in the iso plug snipped them and put into a terminal block, connected the green wire from dd and gnd to the block and hey presto worked perfectly!! don't be fooled in thinking the gnd is earth cos it aint!!! This was my mistake so good luck to anyone who is attempting this its easy.....

Kenton
2nd September 2014, 21:28
looked at what the head unit needed, patched them together, programmed the steering wheel control to the unit, and guess what, it all works.

don't leave stroppy comments, i worked it, took my time swapped cables, and the all rest.

I did it by understanding what the unit required - not by any other means

Spike
28th October 2014, 16:27
I know this is an ancient thread but does anyone know the four-digit settings menu code for this unit please?

coolcat
30th October 2014, 09:25
I know this is an ancient thread but does anyone know the four-digit settings menu code for this unit please?

Which unit Spike,

Mgr WinCe, Navall 1 or Navall 2 ?:}