Help needed urgently

[Dave Goody]

Hi All, any ideas welcome, only had 1 key for my ZT kept saying Ill get 1 cut as spare but my only key is locked in the car boot 30 miles from home.
AA tried everything to get in without damage had to give up Deadlocking defeated them. How quick can I get a spare? where from? what details req?
could a locksmith get into boot?.
If anyone has a suggestion please let me know as Fri night is a nightmare time for this re getting anything done over weekend.
If I leave it there for the weekend some little sods will probably open it for me!
The AA hooked the loom and tried to put current down wires to open boot failed, wedged doortop and managed to press boot release, this only operated alarm. I am desperate for suggestions as it looks as though the work for customers i was doing Sat / sun will not be done as all my equipment in boot with their phone no.s so cannot contact.
I have just driven to previous owners house in borrowed car in vain hope other key in a drawer somewhere No luck.
any ideas ?? Desperate Dave

[Pete]

Hello Dave,

Very sorry to read of your predicament, I would not like to be in your shoes. However, can anyone who makes suggestions please do it via PM and NOT post here for general view. This is a security issue and can potentially be read by the wrong sorts - if you know what I mean.

[Dave Goody]

Thanks for highlighting in red and thinking of the "PM me"
this may be a timely reminder for anyone with one key!
I have stood in pouring rain today for 2 hours with an AA guy trying to get into my car, whatever they say about MG-Rover they are difficult to break into without damage and with deadlocking even breaking a window wont help if keys in boot. PS. if you resort to this, the rear quarter lights may not be cheapest as main wind up in rear has to be removed to replace rear quarter?
How do I get a new key? Just the key would do without the electronics?
But without a key to copy, cant get one cut?
If anyone has any ideas please please please pm me Dave

[Mike]

Thanks for highlighting in red and thinking of the "PM me"
this may be a timely reminder for anyone with one key!
I have stood in pouring rain today for 2 hours with an AA guy trying to get into my car, whatever they say about MG-Rover they are difficult to break into without damage and with deadlocking even breaking a window wont help if keys in boot. PS. if you resort to this, the rear quarter lights may not be cheapest as main wind up in rear has to be removed to replace rear quarter?
How do I get a new key? Just the key would do without the electronics?
But without a key to copy, cant get one cut?
If anyone has any ideas please please please pm me Dave

pm sent a bit ago

[Pete]

You are right Dave it is a reminder for anyone with only one key to get a second done. Not the nicest way to be reminded though I'll admit!

[GreyGhost]

PM sent bit less than a bit ago

[Simon]

Hello Dave, have you managed to get in by the methods suggested?

If not, I have an (albeit extreme) method as a stand-by if needs be....

[JP53]

Hi Dave hope you have managed to get it all sorted. It makes the £100 for spare key look good value.

[Dave Goody]

Hi Guys, Thanks for the PMs, AA tried everything, apparently removal of rear quarterlight not poss in 1 peice as rear wind down window has to be removed??
So breaking in desperation of wind down window can be cheaper. I'm not even certain that I can remove seats. { and of course I'm at home now and car is 30 miles away}
Have ascertained that a guy who specialises in jobs like this will get in for £140 [ I wonder what he do's in the evenings] I have to ring him in the morning. Advertises getting into cars locked with Transponders [ is that what the electronic keys are called?]
I am impressed with the security though but would have preffered to have bought a new key with the £140 "You live and learn" sadly not quickly enough!
Will put the full story of tale of woe on the forum once sorted. If he cant get in tomorrow, you may see "Help" on the forum again.
Thanks sincerely guys, I think I had better just pay the money, and kick myself!! Dave

[JP53]

Hi Guys, Thanks for the PMs, AA tried everything, apparently removal of rear quarterlight not poss in 1 peice as rear wind down window has to be removed??
So breaking in desperation of wind down window can be cheaper. I'm not even certain that I can remove seats. { and of course I'm at home now and car is 30 miles away}
Have ascertained that a guy who specialises in jobs like this will get in for £140 [ I wonder what he do's in the evenings] I have to ring him in the morning. Advertises getting into cars locked with Transponders [ is that what the electronic keys are called?]
I am impressed with the security though but would have preffered to have bought a new key with the £140 "You live and learn" sadly not quickly enough!
Will put the full story of tale of woe on the forum once sorted. If he cant get in tomorrow, you may see "Help" on the forum again.
Thanks sincerely guys, I think I had better just pay the money, and kick myself!! Dave

Total c*** luck mate :( . I locked my keys in the boot of a mk5 Cortina I had, luckly for me it was outside my house and I had a spare set upstairs. Lets hope this time tomorrow it's all sorted.

[Simon]

You can remove your rear seats if need be. Just may be very difficult getting at required bits through a broken window.

There have been a couple of threads on this site about it. I'll see if I can find it for you....

[GreyGhost]

Cheers Dave,

Keep us up to speed on this one, if the info you glean is sensitive please don't post it in the open forum, as we never know who is lurking.

If possible pass the relevant info on to a mod or one of the directors for use in an emergency only situation. Much as we do with access to the engine compartment.

[Simon]

I've PM'd you a link to the thread about rear seats....

[geoffd]

hi Dave Iv,e got a spare nearside rear light assembly if you want to put your hand thro the hole-- got a small crack in the red part but would keep you on the road-- but I,m in york,s !!!

[Dave Goody]

Thanks everbody for their help and Sympathy,
I will let this guy open it for the £140 [he said this is the price unlocked] so I guess if he cant get in I dont pay!
As I said in a returned PM. I keep thinking of Michael Caines immortal words in the Italian job.
" Your'e only supposed to blow the NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- doors off"!!!
Thanks Dave

[Keith]

Cheer up we did that last Sunday

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/imagehosting/12455791228a61b.jpg

[Dave Goody]

That Really isnt funny :lol: Dave

[Dave Goody]

someone must have a spare 75 / ZT / V8 I could borrow until I open mine?
mmmmm who can I think of??: :p:

[GreyGhost]

someone must have a spare 75 / ZT / V8 I could borrow until I open mine?
mmmmm who can I think of??: :p:

I know this bloke in Shropshire got loads of 'em. :rofl:

[lildevil]

Hi

I am reallly sorry to hear about your bad luck dave. I hope that this person is able to get into it for you. Well it's a bad way to learn but one thing is for sure the security on them is brilliant. Have always worried about my car being nicked but it doesn't look so easy now as you have pointed out that the AA man couldn't get into it so very good security, I am just sorry that you have had to find out this way.
Best of Luck

Regards
Tom

[Dave Goody]

Hi

I am reallly sorry to hear about your bad luck dave. I hope that this person is able to get into it for you. Well it's a bad way to learn but one thing is for sure the security on them is brilliant. Have always worried about my car being nicked but it doesn't look so easy now as you have pointed out that the AA man couldn't get into it so very good security, I am just sorry that you have had to find out this way.
Best of Luck

Regards
Tom

Hi Tom, don't forget the AA guy was trying to get in with no damage.
When I go back to the car tomorrow having spent the night in an unlit car park, I may find some little 16 year old XXXX has found a way in, leavind a brick on the drivers seat, Bye Bye Cd player, Dave

[JP53]

Hi Tom, don't forget the AA guy was trying to get in with no damage.
When I go back to the car tomorrow having spent the night in an unlit car park, I may find some little 16 year old XXXX has found a way in, leavind a brick on the drivers seat, Bye Bye Cd player, Dave

I hope that does not happen Dave. At least you have had lots of support from the other members.

[GreyGhost]

Hello Andy
The tag on my spare has
1 16 digit letter and number code and barcode
1 14 digit letter and number and + symbol code and a barcode
1 8 digit Number.

The 2 digit number which is probably 12 for the locking nut release key is nowt to do with door keys. Almost all our cars use that locker that's why a lot of us have been changing them for the Nitrousgear ones>

Hope this helps.

[Lates]

................ and most lockers are no 12 :rolleyes:

[GreyGhost]

................ and most lockers are no 12 :rolleyes:

There's an Echo in here :lol:

[GreyGhost]

Andy
The info I posted was for yours and everybody elses benefit. I would hate to think that because I didn't speak, you or somebody else would have trouble replacing a key or buying a spare. For a dealer to get a new key they need the VIN number of the car. The V5 registration document as proof of ownership, I believe the keys are then odered from Germany if memory serves. Then programmed specifically for the car. I also, if memory serves, think the key uses a rolling code to access the car. To prevent cloning.
Having the bar codes for the key just makes this process a bit simpler.

Somebody correct me If I'm wrong please, I very often am or miss bits of info out.

[Mike]

Somebody correct me If I'm wrong please, I very often am or miss bits of info out.

Your spot on GG :) Also the boot is an integral part of the car's security locking. A key from a different car won't open the boot.

hth

Mike

[andy]

Your spot on GG :) Also the boot is an integral part of the car's security locking. A key from a different car won't open the boot.

hth

Mike


Hmmm--Yes
In the cold light of day -well 09.00 actually cant really undestand my reasoning
DID I REALLY SAY THAT !!!!!!!!!!!
Methinks too close a relationship with the grape !
Please disregard !
Unless of course you have a Ford !

Andy

[Mike]

Please disregard !
Unless of course you have a Ford ! Andy

lol @ Andy. Hope you had a good night partnering the grape :)

[GreyGhost]

Nice one Andy, If I'd been the on the Vino 'til 2.30 this morning, I'd still be fighting the hangover at 9.00am. Have good day mate :)

[MartinW]

Sorry, didn't see this last night - hope you are sorted!

The AA managed to get mine out of my 75 without any damage! I stupidly did it at a friend's wedding - didn't think it could be done - but as they say design a foolproof system and a better fool comes along! I was miles from home where the spare key sat, and the house keys were...in the boot! Mind you it did keep 70 plus wedding guest amused and the AA patrol men have probably never had such a raucous welcome!

Anyway for the sake of the security of all owners I won't detail how it was done but it took less than 5 minutes. It will set the alarm off, however, which is a sort of warning against trying it if you are a low-life reading this.

[Dave Goody]

Phone call this morning from the guy coming to unlock the car for £140
" Cant do it"! I didnt realise it was one of them!!
More phone calls to 3 different MG-Rover ex dealers and a guy with lazer key cutting facilities, this guy can cut me a key if I give him a no. for it.
ring back all ex dealers they can't give me a no. Bmw have this in Germany! and will not give it to anybody inc dealers.
Borrow daughters car drive to Dealer with Registration Doc he copied and said will fax to BMW Mon as they dont work at BMW saturdays.
I said how long and he said BMW dont think of MG Rover as a priority these days could be Thursday but one took 3 weeks.
I told the guy to put some pressure on and if I get the key by Thurs I will give him £25 on top of key cost!!
Phoned AA asked them to relay car home they said OK. I said I will be with car at 2.00 pm. Borrow daughters car drive the 20 odd miles to my car to meet an AA van ? I said you are supposed to be a relay transporter, he was confused. We then spent another hour trying to break in and gave up.
He then rang AA again and organised a transporter. I hour later it arrives the driver said "O Christ, I didn't realise its locked with the handbrake on and steering lock the other end, I need skates for the wheels.
Anyway with wet rd and some plastic feet under wheels we dragged it on.
By this time its dark.
It is now slewed diagonally across my drive, only way to unload.
I am now praying for a key to come, When????
I have to now take an enforced holiday as all my working equipment is in the boot, The only alternative is to smash out the rear side window and try to access the boot from inside and retrieve keys.
This would mean me driving around for a few days with a window missing during very wet weather and the security risk of the window covered in polythene. I will now get a quote from Auto glass for side window fitting.
If quote reasonable I will order and when the fitter comes with the parts get him to break the widow so I can climb in access boot? unlock and watch him fit a new window. To all members re key no.s these keys are only available from BMW not MG-Rover dealers.
Having the key no. is no help as they will still need Reg doc to supply.
I hope this serves as a timely reminder to anyone with 1 key and who is a dope like me. Get another even if you only get a lazer cut one [no transponder] Ideally have 3. one on key ring, one at home and a lazer cut one in your wallet to at least open the boot if you lock your transponder in it!
I will let you know what finally transpires, again thanks everybody for their advice and sympathy, Dave

[Lates]

Sorry to hear your still having trouble Dave, iirc the key will cost £107 ish.
In hindsight If I had a scanned image of your V5C and drivers license I would of ordered one for you, save the driving.Tbh most turn up in less than 10days but they normally quote ten working days.

[JP53]

Phone call this morning from the guy coming to unlock the car for £140
" Cant do it"! I didnt realise it was one of them!!
More phone calls to 3 different MG-Rover ex dealers and a guy with lazer key cutting facilities, this guy can cut me a key if I give him a no. for it.
ring back all ex dealers they can't give me a no. Bmw have this in Germany! and will not give it to anybody inc dealers.
Borrow daughters car drive to Dealer with Registration Doc he copied and said will fax to BMW Mon as they dont work at BMW saturdays.
I said how long and he said BMW dont think of MG Rover as a priority these days could be Thursday but one took 3 weeks.
I told the guy to put some pressure on and if I get the key by Thurs I will give him £25 on top of key cost!!
Phoned AA asked them to relay car home they said OK. I said I will be with car at 2.00 pm. Borrow daughters car drive the 20 odd miles to my car to meet an AA van ? I said you are supposed to be a relay transporter, he was confused. We then spent another hour trying to break in and gave up.
He then rang AA again and organised a transporter. I hour later it arrives the driver said "O Christ, I didn't realise its locked with the handbrake on and steering lock the other end, I need skates for the wheels.
Anyway with wet rd and some plastic feet under wheels we dragged it on.
By this time its dark.
It is now slewed diagonally across my drive, only way to unload.
I am now praying for a key to come, When????
I have to now take an enforced holiday as all my working equipment is in the boot, The only alternative is to smash out the rear side window and try to access the boot from inside and retrieve keys.
This would mean me driving around for a few days with a window missing during very wet weather and the security risk of the window covered in polythene. I will now get a quote from Auto glass for side window fitting.
If quote reasonable I will order and when the fitter comes with the parts get him to break the widow so I can climb in access boot? unlock and watch him fit a new window. To all members re key no.s these keys are only available from BMW not MG-Rover dealers.
Having the key no. is no help as they will still need Reg doc to supply.
I hope this serves as a timely reminder to anyone with 1 key and who is a dope like me. Get another even if you only get a lazer cut one [no transponder] Ideally have 3. one on key ring, one at home and a lazer cut one in your wallet to at least open the boot if you lock your transponder in it!
I will let you know what finally transpires, again thanks everybody for their advice and sympathy, Dave

Flipping heck mate it gets worse! IF you do have to break window make a template first then you can construct one from perspex as a stop gap or get one from breakers first. Cover the glass in tape or adhesive plastic to minimize the amount of glass fragments. Has any member got a spare glass? Hope it's sorted soon Dave. Good luck, John.

[MartinW]

Dave, Have sent you pm with details, but if push comes to shove, I have a spare nearside front door window glass in my garage you can have.

[Dave Goody]

Sorry, didn't see this last night - hope you are sorted!

The AA managed to get mine out of my 75 without any damage! I stupidly did it at a friend's wedding - didn't think it could be done - but as they say design a foolproof system and a better fool comes along! I was miles from home where the spare key sat, and the house keys were...in the boot! Mind you it did keep 70 plus wedding guest amused and the AA patrol men have probably never had such a raucous welcome!

Anyway for the sake of the security of all owners I won't detail how it was done but it took less than 5 minutes. It will set the alarm off, however, which is a sort of warning against trying it if you are a low-life reading this.

Hi Martin please PM me with details, car still locked !!! Dave

[Livermpj]

Hi Dave. I really sympathise with you, I did exactly the same a few weeks ago, 20 miles from home on a remote airfield. And I've got no excuse really, I've had the car for more than 5 years!

So although I can't offer you any tips for breaking in, I can hopefully make you feel less of a berk - it's easily done , isn't it?
I'm lucky because I do have 2 keys, but the 2nd set was at home and I had no way of calling for help because my phone was locked in the car......

If you've got breakdown recovery, I'd be tempted to see whether they could transport the car home (still locked) whilst you order a new key. They should be able to raise the rear wheels, and tow it backwards with the front wheels trailing if it's in neutral.
Best of luck mate, it happens to the best of us:o

[David3807]

Dave,

Do you think these guys might be able to help ?? They talk about emergency key access.

http://www.mgrccservices.com/index.htm

The info was posted in this thread a few days ago

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=589&highlight=Radio+codes

[Dave Goody]

Hi Dave. I really sympathise with you, I did exactly the same a few weeks ago, 20 miles from home on a remote airfield. And I've got no excuse really, I've had the car for more than 5 years!

So although I can't offer you any tips for breaking in, I can hopefully make you feel less of a berk - it's easily done , isn't it?
I'm lucky because I do have 2 keys, but the 2nd set was at home and I had no way of calling for help because my phone was locked in the car......

If you've got breakdown recovery, I'd be tempted to see whether they could transport the car home (still locked) whilst you order a new key. They should be able to raise the rear wheels, and tow it backwards with the front wheels trailing if it's in neutral.
Best of luck mate, it happens to the best of us:o
see my last message cant tow, steering lock front, handbrake back, it got dragged onto low loader Dave, see new thread about getting into boot

[Dave Goody]

Dave,

Do you think these guys might be able to help ?? They talk about emergency key access.

http://www.mgrccservices.com/index.htm

The info was posted in this thread a few days ago

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=589&highlight=Radio+codes

Hi David, thanks for info but I think all I will get for £12 will be a key no. ?
the info they ask for, name ,Address, vin no. etc is exactly what BmW ask for
to decide what the code is for your key. I have now ordered a key may be 10
days coming, but am planning a window breaking session, which will cost £97
to enable me to enter boot and get keys Dave