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sewerman 3rd November 2019 18:17
Silly TOAF question
 
Just used TOAF to diagnose my ABS warning light issue and it has identified the rear left sensor, so the silly question is- is left when in the drivers seat or left when looking at the car from the front?:shrug:

trikey 3rd November 2019 18:19
I would say left is nearside.

vitesse 3rd November 2019 18:22
Have no idea what the cryptic nearside / offside (except ice-hockey) mean but use Toaf quite a lot and it is as in the driver's seat.

Regards

sewerman 3rd November 2019 18:30
:bowdown: thanks both - job for when i've got a free weekend now

trikey 3rd November 2019 18:35
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitesse (Post 2773154)
Have no idea what the cryptic nearside / offside (except ice-hockey) mean but use Toaf quite a lot and it is as in the driver's seat.

Regards
Nearside in the UK refers to the nearest side to the kerb.

sewerman 3rd November 2019 18:40
:bowdown: thanks both - job for when i've got a free weekend now

vitesse 3rd November 2019 18:56
Quote:
Originally Posted by trikey (Post 2773164)
Nearside in the UK refers to the nearest side to the kerb.
Thanks Trikey, I’ve heard it many times but always forget, more of a hint that us isolated on the continent and in other parts don’t always understand the local dialect.:}

Regards

T-Cut 3rd November 2019 19:16
By definition, the 'left' and 'right' side of a car is relative to the driver's position. That's so whether it's a LHD or RHD vehicle.

'Nearside' and 'Offside' are imprecise terms and depend on which side of the road a vehicle is driven. That also applies to LHD and RHD vehicles.

TC

Billyuk1 3rd November 2019 20:21
I remember it like this for us uk right hand drive cars

Near side is passenger side
Off side is drivers side
Left hand side is passenger side
Right hand is drivers side

Not sure if this applies to the continental left hand drive cars

vitesse 3rd November 2019 20:33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billyuk1 (Post 2773203)
I remember it like this for us uk right hand drive cars

Near side is passenger side
Off side is drivers side
Left hand side is passenger side
Right hand is drivers side

Not sure if this applies to the continental left hand drive cars
My driver's side is the left hand side (lhd) ... t'would be much less complicated if we just stuck to left or right relative to the driver's position just as T-Cut says.

Regards

RoverP480 3rd November 2019 22:18
I try not to use the term nearside/offside as it is too imprecise for a world audience . LH and RH is virtually universally used by the worlds car manufacturers , although I am sure there must be an exception somewheere

clf 3rd November 2019 22:38
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoverP480 (Post 2773233)
I try not to use the term nearside/offside as it is too imprecise for a world audience . LH and RH is virtually universally used by the worlds car manufacturers , although I am sure there must be an exception somewheere
I always thought it was quite precise in describing the sides of the car.

Near side (ie nearest to the kerb) is always the passenger side with cars made for that particular current market. Sweden is one anomaly I can think of, though. A former right hand drive country, but since their change came about in the 60s, it would still be safe to use nearside and offside, particularly for modern cars.

Also i believe Myanmar is the only exception to this. Right hand drive, AND driving on the right.

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Rich in Vancouver 4th November 2019 03:13
Nearside and offside also make no sense to me as it's not a term used in North America. It gets particularly abstract when used interchangeably with driver/passenger as my ZT is a LHD model. When I try to equate it with the curb (kerb) I have to remember the kerb in the UK is on the other side and I totally lose touch with reality. My MGF is RHD so I have no consistency in my motoring life and become totally confused!:duh:
Left hand and right hand I do understand.

Mike Noc 4th November 2019 21:34
If they specified port and starboard there would be no confusion at all. :D

75driver 4th November 2019 21:39
Just can’t figure out why the “swswvftf” principle never caught on. 🤔
2 bon bons to whoever knows what I’m on about.🙄


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Devilish 5th November 2019 13:53
Ok, loads of opportunity to say it, so I will.
That WAS a silly question :p:

sewerman 5th November 2019 20:55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Devilish (Post 2773594)
Ok, loads of opportunity to say it, so I will.
That WAS a silly question :p:
OK it was a silly question if only I'd read the Haynes manual "left and right refer to sitting in the drivers seat looking forwad"

Still got some interesting discussion going!!;)

stocktake 5th November 2019 21:04
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Arctic 5th November 2019 21:29
Dave beat me to it :D also questions are only silly if you know the answer already, even then not everyone is right all the time ;)

https://i.imgur.com/DPpLJH3h.png1

clf 5th November 2019 22:48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic (Post 2773687)
Dave beat me to it :D also questions are only silly if you know the answer already, even then not everyone is right all the time ;)

https://i.imgur.com/DPpLJH3h.png1
that picture with an LHD car complicates the situation.

The way I learned the difference between near and offside (and it will apply to LHD cars for RH lane driving).

Near (the kerb) side so therefore that means offside is not near (the kerb) side lol.

Conventionally, when determining the right or left side of the car, (unless it specifically states otherwise), in a right hand drive car (everyone knows what is a RHD car), the side with the steering wheel is the right side. In a LHD drive car, the side with the steering wheel is left.

eg the fuel filler cap on ours cars is on the right hand side. With the specifically stated otherwise version of that statement is, when looking at the front of the car, the fuel filler cap is on the left side - it is still the same side .................... :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::eek::p::getmecoat:

clf 5th November 2019 22:49
Quote:
Originally Posted by 75driver (Post 2773473)
Just can’t figure out why the “swswvftf” principle never caught on. 🤔
2 bon bons to whoever knows what I’m on about.🙄


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steering wheel side when viewed from the front?

sewerman 6th November 2019 06:22
Quote:
Originally Posted by clf (Post 2773694)
that picture with an LHD car complicates the situation.



The way I learned the difference between near and offside (and it will apply to LHD cars for RH lane driving).



Near (the kerb) side so therefore that means offside is not near (the kerb) side lol.



Conventionally, when determining the right or left side of the car, (unless it specifically states otherwise), in a right hand drive car (everyone knows what is a RHD car), the side with the steering wheel is the right side. In a LHD drive car, the side with the steering wheel is left.



eg the fuel filler cap on ours cars is on the right hand side. With the specifically stated otherwise version of that statement is, when looking at the front of the car, the fuel filler cap is on the left side - it is still the same side .................... :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::eek::p::getmecoat:
Exactly its all a question of were you start from in the first place !

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Sprinter 8th November 2019 04:18
Quote:
Originally Posted by sewerman (Post 2773151)
Just used TOAF to diagnose my ABS warning light issue and it has identified the rear left sensor, so the silly question is- is left when in the drivers seat or left when looking at the car from the front?:shrug:

Just to say that when my TOAF told me my N/S/R sensor was faulty it turned out to be the hub bearing.

It gives the same fault.

grivas 8th November 2019 11:35
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitesse (Post 2773204)
My driver's side is the left hand side (lhd) ... t'would be much less complicated if we just stuck to left or right relative to the driver's position just as T-Cut says.

Regards
Yes indeed, however that would be too ease, that is the price you pay for being 'intelligent' as a species, I mean, to put it another way, why say something with one word when thirty would do, and still not exactly know what is said. Humans!!!!, love them!!!.

stocktake 8th November 2019 12:52
Quote:
Originally Posted by stocktake (Post 2773681)

It really doesn't get any easier than this regardless of driver side...

Avulon 8th November 2019 14:42
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitesse (Post 2773204)
My driver's side is the left hand side (lhd) ... t'would be much less complicated if we just stuck to left or right relative to the driver's position just as T-Cut says.

Regards

Well it would of course. Confusion unfortunately arises when 'near side' or 'off side' are used to describe the location of things which aren't lhd or rhd dependant. To give an example or two.


  • fuel filler on a 75 is always on the right (coincidentally this is the 'off side' on rhd cars).
  • Steering wheel is always on the offside of the car (left for lhd cars, and right for rhd cars)
  • Front passenger seat is always on the nearside of the car.
  • Brake pad wear sensors, someone else might confirm if they are on the offside of the car or are they on the right hand side?
- clearly offside and nearside should only be used to describe the location of parts that switch Left/right depending on the lhd or rhd.


:getmecoat: Exit stage nearside....

clf 8th November 2019 14:50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Avulon (Post 2774207)
Well it would of course. Confusion unfortunately arises when 'near side' or 'off side' are used to describe the location of things which aren't lhd or rhd dependant. To give an example or two.


[LIST][*]fuel filler on a 75 is always on the right (coincidentally this is the 'off side' on rhd cars).[*]Steering wheel is always on the offside of the car (left for lhd cars, and right for rhd cars)[*]Front passenger seat is always on the nearside of the car.

- clearly offside and nearside should only be used to describe the location of parts that switch Left/right depending on the lhd or rhd.


:getmecoat: Exit stage nearside....
Unless it is a pre 67 (?) "Native" car in Sweden (think the op is from Sweden?) Or the car is in Myanmar (where I believe they have right hand drive whilst driving on the right)

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Avulon 8th November 2019 15:58
Quote:
Originally Posted by clf (Post 2774208)
Unless it is a pre 67 (?) "Native" car in Sweden (think the op is from Sweden?) Or the car is in Myanmar (where I believe they have right hand drive whilst driving on the right)

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There are of course, always - always, exceptions.

T-Cut 8th November 2019 19:17
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Avulon 13th November 2019 10:42
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That's not a flogging!

Avulon 13th November 2019 10:42
This is a flogging:


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Comfortably Numb 13th November 2019 22:07
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprinter (Post 2774106)
Just to say that when my TOAF told me my N/S/R sensor was faulty it turned out to be the hub bearing.

It gives the same fault.
This is not uncommon, as any play in the bearing will give a variation in the distance between the sensor tip and the ABS ring (reluctor).It is supposed to be typically a small gap between 0.5 and 1mm,anything bigger than that will cause the sensor to misread the wheel speed, and flash up the warning.


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