Face Masks
 

Went shopping today, the first time since the mandatory face mask rule was introduced in England.

Was surprised to see the number of people who were wearing face masks on their chins leaving the mouth and nose exposed along with those who were just using them to cover their mouths.

I must admit they are a bit of a pain with my glasses constantly steaming up, so i think I will try to get a plastic face shield and see how that goes.

If you can get a mask with the metal stiffener on the top edge you can mould it to your face better and it helps stop misting, or so I find. If it also has an exit valve fitted, that means the expelled air is well away from your glasses.

I bought some plastic face shield visors online and what arrived was rubbish, easily scratched and not very clear to look through, they were cheap. Its worth shopping around for better quality, if you are going to be wearing a mask and a face shield at the same time.

Here is a video: How to stop fogging on your glasses whilst wearing mask... https://youtu.be/EtGDnX1P7mI

And for some reason I could watch that video again and again :)

I want a face mask like this one

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...370dcb3c10.jpg

Would wearing my Arai full face work? :shrug::D

A 50 50 mix of any detergent wiped on and wiped off with a tissue works for a couple of days. My wife uses washing up liquid, her work is insisting that they ware them at work and since using washing up liquid she has had no problem.

Having an exit valve defeats the object, really, as the wearing of face covering is to protect others not just yourself.

I’ve become addicted to it too for some reason :D

Not if it conforms to the standard as the valve is filtered

I was thinking of wearing a balaclava with the open face😂

Good morning Richard, I admire your creativity :D

Another different approach is seen here in central Kenya with male and female residents using thongs/knickers as masks. https://youtu.be/CoSSnH7E5FI

Part of the battle against the virus is having to deal with ignorance and the ....“it won’t happen to me mentality”.....;)

On Monday the President of Kenya announced another 30 days of night curfew. In his speech, he said because the police can’t be everywhere, if members of the public can report on each other if they see anyone who is not wearing a mask or refusing to wear one.

I find if you move your glasses down your nose a bit this stops them fogging up.

Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nspI...ns&app=desktop

Paid a visit to the garden centre yesterday, not many there but all where wearing a mask, which is good.

Misting glasses with mask
 

After 3 or 4-months of wearing a mask and not being able to see much because my glasses mist, I've discovered an improvement. Pull the mask up so that the bridge of the glasses bears down on the mask. It's a big improvement. My mask has a valve.

If they have an exit valve, will that not mean that your expelled breath goes out unfiltered, defeating the whole reason for wearing a mask.

Cut a slot in the mask seam near the nose, then feed in a straightened paper clip so its central over the nose. It can then be bent to make a tighter fit around the nose. Fold over the clips ends first, to stop it digging in.

Ordered some once-only use masks from China on Amazon and they arrived yesterday. A bit more comfortable than a full-face rubber gas mask while wearing a charcoal suit :eek: and they meet the requirement. Three layers and 100 of them for ~ six quid.

Valved masks should have a filter supplied with them. I have purchased some and they have three layers of material plus a replaceable heppa filter, so the exhausted air is filtered.

Went to Tesco’s in Callington this morning and all the customers, and the staff on the tills, had masks on. Social distancing is the norm.

Shopping again tonight, and I was really surprised by the number of people not wearing face masks.
I cannot believe that they could be so many exempt people in one place, interesting that the majority were from “high risk” group. :shrug:

Talking to my neighbour yesterday who works in a large discount fashion and household goods retailer. She says they have been told to remind all those not wearing a mask of the rules and ask them to put one on. If they say they are exempt then that's ok but if they refuse they cannot do anything about it. However she said that they receive a lot of abuse and threats from those not wearing them with younger under 30s women and Asian men being the worst culprits with the middle aged and older being the ones using them.

Now this retailer is in Bradford so we can see the reasons the local restrictions have just been extended. The message is not getting across to many who frankly don't care. Preston council has put out a motto to try to get the message over to the under 30s where the increase in infections is the greatest. Don't Kill a Granny.

Dont kill a granny??? if thats Bradfords "motto" Im glad Im not a granny living in Bradford. Chris.S.

“Don’t kill a granny “ .. what a sexist campaign, so it’s ok to kill a grandad then ??? :eek:

It was in those evenings that I magically usually found a mountain of household imperatives that Celia had forgotten to do.

Unfortunately, one coincided with an 'office do' which, as a result of my undeserved rank I, I say 'I' being the unsaid collective 'we', was required to attend. Celia was pleasantly surprised once or twice despite obviously being of pre-granny standing and said afterwards what a lovely team I worked with and when was the next one.

The lady brings it up from time to time to my 'Really dear, when was that, exactly?.' Diplomatically, she forgets. Followed next morning by a bunch of Tesco flowers. 56 years now, it's not been a bed of roses.

If you wear your glasses over your mask then they won't steam up, as for shield I believe they are more for you stopping rubbing eyes etc as these have no benefit for breathing as air freely circulates around the shield.

NOT BRADFORD, this is Preston Council using this to try and get the under 30s to stop spreading the virus.

I popped in B&Q in Derby this Sunday,

I was amazed to see how many people where wearing their mask below their noses.
The afore mentioned groups where the main culprits.

In Burton where I work, the number of cases are on the rise again, I'm thinking it's only a matter of time before some form of local lock-down is back in affect.
:mad:

just seen a short video on FB of a woman threatenig to call the police because another driver was in traffic, but driving too close to her and not 2 metres back ?:duh:


Yet she was happy to shout out through an open car window to people and not have a mask on :duh::duh: :D

found it ..:eek:







C.

Amazing. Chris.S.

And then there is the lady shopper with the toddler who seems to not notice her child feeling all the produce bags within reach whist in the checkout queue- she ( the mother) was wearing a mask. When it was braught to her attention she simpered and told the child not to do it and the child went to the otherside of the display looked at her mother with a "who are you looking at" expression and started fondling the other goods. Chris S.

All the news about a second spike seems to be falling on deaf ears, in the supermarket this afternoon and at least 25% not wearing masks. I don’t believe that 25% of the population can be exempt from wearing face coverings.

One thing that I did notice was that virtually all of the barefaced anti-social people appeared to be under the age of 40!

They must still think there invincible! :shrug:

I think that if a mask makes you feel safe, then wear one. Obviously, you have to use them properly, as a surgeon would, so single-use, tight to the face, wash hands before, and if you touch or move it, then it must be binned immediately.

Not sure that attaching a germ-ridden cloth to your face and hiding your facial expressions could be considered 'social'.

I don't like the compulsion, and there is no clear evidence for the current situation.

The second wave talk looks like a sleight of hand. We used to talk about deaths, and now we talk about 'cases' (which only means a positive PCR test result, not a poorly person). What happened to not overwhelming the NHS? It wasn't.

Just another viewpoint for the melting pot. :)

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/mo...rty091920.html

Masks are virtually useless. It is just useless governments trying to look as if they are doing something.

The best they can do is just stay back and let people look after themselves.

Mid week, I queued with five others outside a BHF charity shop, to go in for a look round - only four allowed in at one time. There were three elderly people in, all wearing masks, plus an east European type not wearing one. After waiting several minutes in the queue for one to come out, the east European inside was joined be his female partner and what seemed to be two daughters of around 18 - none wearing masks, all simply pushing past those waiting in the queue outside - now making seven in the shop.

When that group eventually left and my turn was next, with only four in the shop, I attempted (out of curiosity) the same trick of just walking in, but with a mask. Staff quickly pointed out to me that there were four already in the shop.

When one came out, my turn I went in, but to have a word with staff about allowing so many of them in and without masks - the reply from the shop manager 'we cannot stop them coming in, we can only ask them to wear masks, not insist'.

As I see it, that is wrong. You can refuse anyone entry to a shop premises and don't need to give a reason.

I tried to complain to BHF's head office, but no one answering the phone and their web email form did not allow enough characters to explain my complaint.

I agree it is mostly the under 40's ignoring the rules and to blame for the renewed spread.

Alot of independent shops have signs saying no mask no service. I agree with that. But then you would just get the chin mask wearers arguing thst they were wearing one., yes but not correctly:devil:

It doesn’t end there, there is so much going on behind the scenes it’s a pantomime. Alongside the masks and so relevant is the Two Meter rule, so ridiculed by insiders. It seems the official guidance at the outset was initially that one meter would be enough.

Professor Robert Dingwall says in a little-published interview, he was informed by a senior public health specialist that the department of health knew it was one metre but did not think the population would understand what a meter was and they could not trust the public to observe it so they doubled it to stay on the safe side.
As each day passes so too does another shred of credibility.

People have largely lost that ability to think. That is why we are in this blinking mess!
If you don't like the way people wear or don't wear their masks, go and shop somewhere where you are happy.

It is as easy as that!

That would make shopping difficult to impossible for many, including me/us, with so few shops ejecting those not following the rules.

I would not worry unduly if I were you. Masks don't help, except preventing you being "spat" in the face.
If you are together with others, just keep at arms length, and you will achieve the same. Mask or no mask.
I wear my mask only if close to others, and then only to please them. It really does not make any difference.! It just placates some people as it looks as if something is done. It can be a morale booster, for some, at best.

Whatever we do, we will all get this virus, as we all get colds and flu. That is the basic fact that very few want to concede. We will all also survive it, like we survive colds and flu. It all works well, until one day it does not!

That is life!!:D

Not wearing a face mask here is rewarded with a beating or at worst being shot. Is it the same in South Africa?

We haven't quite reached that level. A few people have been killed. But that goes with the territory. Give normal people guns and the power to control others, and many people's psychopathic/sociopathic (or sociopathetic!:getmecoat:) tendencies come to the fore.
Early on people got killed, but now they don't dare anymore.

After all I am still alive!!

Just!:o

Its not down to the shop workers to enforce the face mask rules, all they can do is ask the members of the public to wear them, they cannot refuse entry or force them to be worn.

The amount of abuse shop workers get on a daily basis is bad enough!

This post from Facebook kinda sums it up

https://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/for...1&d=1600626632

Its great to hear you are surviving.

Actually, we have come to a part of the coast of Kenya where some of the locals are resistant to wearing masks and not keeping to social distancing rules. A few months ago, a gang of them got fed up of the curfew and enforcement regulations and turned tables on the police at a road stop beheading them and stealing their G3 rifles.

Stay safe

The only shop I’ve recently been in that were enforcing the rules and refusing to let people in without face masks was ........ McDonald’s! :eek:

A problem arises when an employer, or at least the manager of the shop or business concerned, lays the wrongly assumed law down to staff that certain protocols must be adhered to because they assume it's the law. Then the lowly employee is under great pressure to safeguard their job by enforcement.

Celia and I went into a charity shop on Saturday. Just inside the door there was a very elderly lady sitting in a chair and on guard. Raising a hand she, sweetly but determined, demanded I put a mask on. Celia already had one on and I put mine on to avoid embarrassing us all (the lady was seriously older even than us and formidable with it). Problem solved although reluctantly, it's not flippin' difficult! And a smile takes the heat out.

The reality is those who flatly refuse to comply merely have to say, 'No, I am exempt on medical grounds'. You are not required to give details beyond that. If they insist on details you are entitled to refuse to tell them anything more. Of course, they are entitled to refuse entry anyway if they want to, mask or not.

That notice is a really good source of politeness and persuasion.. Not.

Blunt, rude, don't care what you think as long as you agree with me. A typical picture of a crass and aggressive attitude in the modern age. Obviously at the end of a tether.

I wonder where that was placed other than this and the reaction it got. Looks like it was designed as an alternative to a two fingered gesture to an alleged non-believer. Whoever the boss is, if that is the source, he is unsuited and deserves a wide berth.

I would never dream of placing such a thing on my business premises, it is commercial suicide even if limited to a small footfall outlet. Maybe the footfall was so big it doesn't make much difference. There are so many moderate ways of getting the message across, it is obviously from a martinet. It shows a typical lack of charm and courtesy in public life and how far we have become inured to ill-mannered dictatorial shouting. Not an impressive manager or publicist, other than for a cause.

I agree. It just goes to show how some people have not understood where their boundary of freedom ends. It ends exactly where my boundary starts.
I would go and tell the shop owner in no uncertain terms what I think of him and his notice. And I would tell his employees too, as I would leave and take my business somewhere else.
If he wants to wear a mask fine.
But that is exactly where it stops!

Posted on a local shops fb page and they got a very positive response to it


It would be greatly appreciated if the mask police stopped coming into the shop and telling the staff to wear masks!

1) We don’t force our staff to wear masks
2) My staff aren’t here to listen to your NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-.
3) stop getting offended when we then tell you to leave because we frankly can’t be bothered listening to your speech on how the news has told you to tell us to wear masks ����NAUGHTY WORD-♂️

Thanks

Thanks for the origin of the poster. Not on the shop front/door then. Or is it that the business itself is embarrassed. So local customers possibly won't see it. Very constructive! Using the medium as a slagging off vehicle doesn't help the honourable cause given the acres of tripe on there. It's also an application form for membership of another group that seems to be only protesting where they cannot be held responsible!

It's really really simple, if a shop speaks like that to you, don't react - treat with the mute contempt it deserves. That's all that is necessary, why justify an argument and getting bombarded with affected phoney hatred that already abounds.

My wife today went into M&S for a coffee after shopping. No paper on a clip- board jobby here, the staff member asked her for her name and address while holding her own phone poised for her own personal entry of Celia's details. Celia just turned and walked away. She, like me, believes that our health safety is just as important, nay vital, as the staffs'. No fuss, no palaver or rudeness.

Why aren't they wearing them? In what way does it interfere with their duties? How far from the source can these little imps actually fly without the falling arc of failure?

I have no issue with a business making some rules of engagement, although during my lifetime rules like 'no coloureds' or 'no gays' have been considered impolite and illegal. Could a business say 'no fatties' or 'no gingers'? How does the mask thing compare?

My issue is the government mandating it. It should be individual choice. Similarly, if you are terrified and want to barricade yourself in your house, then fine, but don't force everyone else.

How can it be an individuals choice, when the idea of wearing a mask is to prevent the individual who might have it, spreading it to others? The mask is not required for the individual wearing it's benefit, but for everyone else they might go near.

I would agree IF some businesses were allowed to go without masks. Then people can decide. Right now, there is a one-size solution mandated by the state.

Problem now is that everyone is forced to cover their face, so germ-infested cloth rags abundant. I find it uncomfortable and stressful to wear one, and other people wearing them look like monsters. It is extremely dysfunctional to me.

I guess those that don't want to wear a mask may think they are immune to the virus or that they simply don't care, the same could be said for smokers thinking they wont get cancer, taking a careless attitude in regards to their secondhand smoke when around others.

A bit like when smoking was made illegal in all work places, shops, pubs and clubs, it took sometime for the rule breakers to get the message.

I understand there are those that have a genuine health related condition which stops them from wearing a face mask, breathing difficulties etc. These people still need to be careful though due to how the covid virus attacks the lungs. I would guess the genuine people are most probably isolating anyway, having to be more careful etc, this then reinforces the original idea as to why people do need to wear a mask, so to protect the vulnerable. ;)

There are some thoughtless people out there. :getmecoat:

There are indeed some thoughtless people out there Wes, however there should not be a blanket approach to mask wearing.


Ir is the false sense of well being and immunity, wearing a mask brings to the wearer, in much the same way any other safety device may make the user complacent to the risk factors to both them, and those around them, that make mandated wearing in certain environments so dangerous.

Why all this discussion when events have shown the bests way to handle the issue is Sweden?

It is really that simple.

This is not a second wave, it is the resumption of what was interrupted. I don't have to spell out how wrong this is, so I will let this gent do it.:D

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Accreditation: East Midlands Ambulance Service

I follow the official advice and wear a mask where recommended and I've prepared for a long haul and bought in bulk from China. I just wish that everyone would dispose of them in a responsible manner, I've seen more than a few left in supermarket trolleys or just dropped on the ground near the entrance. :devil:

Even found a discarded mask in my front garden this morning. :mad:

On the FACE ( ;) ) of it, it seems sensible enough. However there will be just as many germs on your face as on your neck when you first put the mask on !!!

To be effective they should also add--Decontaminate your face before wearing the mask.

That way only your resident germs will be inside the mask and all the enemy germs stuck to the outside. Which is recommended should not come in contact with your fingers.

This is not complicated, do we assume that people wash their faces before putting on a mask and they wash their hands after removing the mask?
John, if you prefer to use “decontaminate”, that’s okay with me :}

1/ I bet 99% don't. ( And there lies the problem. )


2/ Decontaminate seems to cover ALL bugs.--:D---( good word that.-Lol. )


The thing is if we do come into contact with the Covid19 virus it is most likely to be all over us. The entry points appear to be in the facial area.

If somebody has coughed or sneezed near you and you have, unfortunately, some of those viruses on your skin then covering them up with a mask seems to be counter-productive.--:shrug:


Bit like shutting the gate after the horse has bolted.--:eek::eek::eek:


Just my opinion of course but I'm trying to look at the problem from a practical point of view.

It's the interim removal of the mask to eat that exposes you to possible virus contact.

It is about risk vs. benefit.

Should we ban alcohol, cigarettes and motor vehicles tomorrow, because of the deaths they cause every single year? Knives? Electricity?!

You have to balance what you think is reasonable. I think, for example, those elderly people being scared to death in their homes is awful. They will die of boredom and loneliness. If I were that old, surely going to the bingo and accepting the risk is a life worth having?

For another perspective on the numbers, this is interesting
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac

If the masks work, why the 6ft?
If the 6ft works, why the masks?
If both work, why the lockdown?
If all 3 work, why the vaccine?
If the vaccine is safe, why the " No Liability" clause?

Yes, posted that link on the other virus thread, also note the information about facemask wearing and the lack of effects on transmission from other parts of the world on one of his other reports ;)

What really really gets me is that all other people with serious illnesses such as Cancer, heart disease etc are being sacrificed on the alter of the great God Covid because they cannot access proper treatment :(
It's already killed far more than the Virus and will only increase, dramatically over the coming winter months.

The Director of CRUK the other day stated that over 300,000 Cancer patients were either left without diagnosis, treatments or follow up appointments, goodness knows how many are awaiting treatment for all the other illnesses it must run into millions.

Good job I got Cancer when I did. I got the appropriate treatment promptly and have been in remission for the last 7 years. If it were now, chances are I would be slowly dying, It doesn't bear thinking about.

Russ

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2#Sec3

The above paper looks at exhaled air and the efficacy of face masks. I am posting this on behalf of Clive :}

It was working for Sweden, but maybe not so well now...
https://melaniephillips.substack.com...ack-for-sweden