Windows 11 compatibility ?
 

Hi computer wizards on the forum, how many have a laptop that is not compatible with windows 11 for one reason or another, we have three in our house which are only 3yrs and 4 yrs old.

Maybe they want to be enabled or they just do not have the 2.0 TPM or only the 1.2 TPM.

Any and all advice is welcome.

this are ways round round this , where you make a Install USB Drive for win 11 and copy over a file from win10 that removes the need for tmp2,

i'm used this method to install 11 months ago ..

lots of info on the net .


or you can using the MS upgrade assistant and once its told you you can 't run win 11 use regedit to change the registry as per this page



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There is absolutely no reason to have Windows 11; in fact I've just bought a new laptop and downgraded back to Windows 10.


The UI changes are a matter of preference, but I do not like the changes Microsoft have forced here - e.g. the requirement to have an internet connection and register a Microsoft account when you first set the PC up; and how hard they've made using any browser besides Edge.

Not strictly what this thread is about, but carrying on from your comment in the thread in the other forum... I've had apple computers for around 18 years now, and wouldn't have anything else for my use. Ok, if you like gaming then there simply isn't the range of games for Mac. But my use is storage of music, family photos, general internet browsing, as well as storing reference photos for various hobbies, plus STL's and slicers for 3D printing.

According to the info screen on my current laptop it's an early 2015 model, but I could've sworn I got it before my middle son was born and that was early 2015. Anyway, it's still running fine, not had any issues at all, I've not wanted to update to the latest versions of OS, so haven't, it reminds me, but I've always got the option not to.

Only problem I have had is when I dropped it, and broke the screen/bent the lid. Luckily covered on house insurance, initially they were going to replace it but then arranged for a repair, it came back with a nice new screen and lid.

Now in fairness, you could buy several windows laptops for what I paid for my Mac, I think it was in the region of £1800, by the time I'd upgraded bits, but I'd rather buy something more than I need in the hope it'll last that bit longer. Which so far, it has.

I've also got a 2011 iMac in the garage that a friend gave me. That is also used for 3D printing, file storage and playing music in the garage, 11 years old and still working fine.

Hi Derrick.
Thank you for your input i too am carrying on from my comment in the thread in the other forum... about apple i am most certain that i will be going down that road, i think i may try one of the laptops with the windows 11 work round once i feel i have the confidence to so.

Therefore an easy layman's terms instruction would be good if anyone knows of one.

Also great would be any or all advice on what Apple laptop or deck top are best or good to have as above will not be used for gaming.

Steve - We'll start a new thread in this section purely for information as opposed to preferences.

To the naysayers. There is every reason to have Windows 11 when one has the desire to have windows 11.

Come January 2025, unless you wish to go over to Apple or Linux, it would be foolish not to run a Win 11 PC as there will be no security upgrades for Win 10.

Personally, I will always run the latest windows versions when on the internet and older versions of windows offline. I also run Lubuntu or Linus Mint on older PCs. Apple is too restrictive for me as I like to tinker with the hardware.

If needed you can actually partition the drive in a Mac so you can have Mac OS on 1 part and windows on the other. I did this for a time, but rarely used the windows partition so deleted it and had it all back for Mac OS.

Personally I prefer the laptops. In reality I could easily just use a MacBook air, around £900 and then add a bigger SSD and it'd do everything I need, so if your use is similar that would probably do. My wife is a teacher and uses her MacBook air every day, she's got all her lessons and resources stored on there, plus all her own personal stuff, music, photos, general browsing. It's her 1st Mac, she got it last September and she's really happy with it. It runs silently as there are no moving parts in it at all, and the battery will last a full day of teaching, and evening of work, and still have power left for the next day.

My dad has gone a slightly different route, much the same use as me, except he also uses it for films. He's got a mac mini connected up directly to his TV with a good set of computer speakers, and uses it with a wireless keyboard and track pad.

Best thing to do if/when you are thinking of buying, is go in to the nearest apple store and try them all. The iMac's look great, but for me I like the ability to move from room to room.

My only issue with Apple is their insistence on forcing new port types people with new models, and then charging a small fortune for an adapter. My MacBook pro is old enough to still have 2x standard USB ports, 2x Thunderbolt ports, 1x SD card slot, and HDMI port, plus I like the Magsafe charger connector as if someone trips on it, it simply pops off with no damage. My wife's MacBook air has just 2x USB 4 ports, and she had to pay £75 to get an adapter to convert 1 USB-4 to HDMI and USB-A.

It's very old, but I do have a Mac mini in the garage, not even sure if it works, but you could have a play with that if you want, I doubt I'll ever use it now.

Hi Derrick.
I have sent you a PM regarding your very kind offer

A fair point, however the end date is 3 years (and 6 releases of Windows) away. Hopefully by then Microsoft will have seen some sense and toned down some of their latest ridiculous ideas...


You are of course aware that Windows 10 and 11 are built on the same kernel? Windows 11 really is just Win 10 with start menu removed, curves added and even more junk!

Yes, I am aware.


At the end of the day, each person has to decide their approach. Some of us are early adopters, if only to play, whilst others desire stability before committing. Both approaches and everything in between is perfectly valid.

MS will always try to restrict choice, e.g. browser choice, insofar that they can whilst staying only just legal. Personally, I find such approaches by large companies distasteful and Firefox is my browser of choice for this very reason. If non-MS browsers are practically locked out of Win 11, I will still have a Win 11 machine except that all but one of my machines at home will be on Linux. Currently, the machine that I spend most of my time on runs Lubuntu LTS.

ASUS Laptop
 

On the 1/2/22 i took these photos of the Asus.

When windows 11 was first announced and you could do the check to see if your laptop was compatible i did and all was then ok, later it said it was not, below are the photos of the spec etc.

Pic 1
https://i.imgur.com/0RUTw0Vl.jpg1

https://i.imgur.com/pGSwHtCl.jpg2

CPU ?
https://i.imgur.com/j09xN0Yl.jpg3

So again followed why?
https://i.imgur.com/oMlRzFLl.jpg4

https://i.imgur.com/7X82nWql.jpg5

https://i.imgur.com/LW6IKKol.jpg6

system requirements
https://i.imgur.com/to5jGdel.jpg7

about my Asus.
https://i.imgur.com/kQ2l2Eml.jpg8

https://i.imgur.com/nURUngTl.jpg9

Therefore from above can someone please state why it's not compatible, as from what i read the CPU 1.60GHz should that be enough ? all and positive replies welcome thank you.

PS i will post up the HP later.

Steve - it is the processor.


The Celeron in your laptop is one of Intel's SoC chips intended for entry level laptops and of an earlier generation than the MS supported CPU list. It has roughly 1/3 the processing power of the minimum CPU recommended by MS for Win 11 for a good user experience. I would try Win 11 on it nearer 2025 but expect that usability will be lacking due to the processing power.

Hi Maninder.
Thank you for your reply, i have made my mind up, or had it made up for me as none of the three PC i have will accept windows 11 so will keep running windows 10 until 2025 then maybe look at getting a new desk top PC and or laptop.

What make i don't know anyone ever had or has a Medion desktop pc i7 16gb 1tb

In 2025 my laptop will be 14 years old so will be pensioned off anyway or repurposed with Linux. My desktop will be 15 years old so ditto, assuming it lasts that long (the PSU went BANG a couple of years ago but that was easily replaced).

Steve - I think that is the right path to go down.

The lowest quad-core CPU that windows 11 will be officially supported on is an i3-8100 (or a pentium/celeron of the same 8th gen architecture for lower performance). These were launched back in 2017. In October 2025 when support for windows 10 ends, machines with these CPUs will be 6-8 years old. Personally, I don't feel it's a big deal, especially as the older PCs will be able to continue working on Windows 10 or 7 and safely off the internet.

By the time we get to October 2025, ex-busines PCs with an i3-8100 and 8GB RAM should be available for around £100-£150. I would always replace the used hard disk and SSD with a new one for peace of mind. This means that a user would be able to buy a PC capable of lasting atleast 5 years for around £200 i.e. less than £50/PA. I would go down this path for security and run the older machines for general use offline or on Linux for web browsing etc with the Linux firewall turned on.

To play with windows 11 on a machine not used for serious work, I've just ordered an ex-business i3-8100/8GB RAM/500GB HD Lenovo V530S for £170. I'll replace the HD with a 500GB nVME SSD for exceptional performance and end up with a quality PC for playing for less than £250. Lenovo and HP are my favourites as they are built to quality but don't have any special components to make life difficult like Dell.

My Wife bought a new Dell when she found out that the HP she had would not accept windows 11, which we were both surprised about.

I now have that
https://i.imgur.com/o3u1YKal.jpg1

https://i.imgur.com/A6C7Fmfl.jpg2

https://i.imgur.com/unb4TlXl.jpg3

the best advice i have heard about this is stick to the operating system the computer was designed with. All our works PC and home laptops are windows 10 and will stay that way. when it comes time for each to be replaced, they will be replaced with windows 11 preloaded machines.

Mac's are wonderful if you are a guru or young and have been brought up with them. half my job is with designers and printers and the other half with admins and accountants, the arty lot use macs the office folk PCs. Personally I cannot handle the macs, they are just too strange after years with windows.

My laptop came with Windows 7. It's on Windows 10 now and with a new install on an SSD runs quite well. If it's still going when Windows 10 reaches end-of-life I'll stick Linux on it.

Same here I got rid of Windows 10 & previous Windows OS's for Linux/Ubuntu/Solus on all my PC's years ago, I have a Windows 10 Pro on my Gaming PC for my Train Sim World & the only desktop I have trouble with is that one :mad: It also says it's not Windows 11 compatible so I'm not sure how or if it will effect my train simulator game in the near future?


I have Windows 10 Pro on another high spec desktop for recording music/videos that wouldn't recognise expensive software I bought for music & video recording so I use that off line only nowadays :mad: Linux just works. :cool:

That would be boring. Real Men don't do that! :D

I've now used Windows 11 on a fully compliant PC (i3-8100 CPU, 8GB RAM, Firmware TPM....) extensively for about a week and found it to be perfectly stable. There is really nothing there that I dislike. There will be some early issues which affect advanced users no doubt, but I would not have any concern about going over to 11 by the time win 10 goes out of support.

Is Windows 11 actually worth it? I mean that only every other Windows version is good.

At the moment I don't think Windows 11 brings much to the party over Windows 10. If you're running older hardware then stick with 10 as it has plenty of life left in it and I rather suspect that Microsoft will become more flexible with the hardware requirements in time as they will want to get most people transitioned but at the moment they are taking a cautious approach to avoid having a lot of people all crying for support at the same time.

My old laptop was about 7 years old and ran an early i5 processor with 4Gb and after a little tinkering I was able to get it running Windows 11 with no problems.

Mind you for older hardware I'd recommend Chrome OS Flex. Limited to just browser stuff however much faster and more responsive then running full Windows. I've given several machines a new lease of life with ChromeOS

Like yourself I dropped the MacBook Pro and cracked the screen whilst on my travels. A MacBook repair shop in Nairobi replaced the screen and lid from a donor MacBook Pro for £180, so the parts are not cheap. In total I have 3 MacBook Pros 2009 - 2013 models which can’t be updated to beyond “High Sierra”. It’s an annoyance as some of the new apps I would like to use, I can’t because the apps designate my MBP’s as being too old and at a certain date there is no support from Apple for the older models, the so and so’s.

Last summer, a nephew kindly donated his 13” MacBook Pro to me because the mouse wasn’t working. To get it working I plugged in a USB mouse and keep it as a spare, but it’s a 2010 model and similarly it can’t be upgraded to the latest Mac OS.

Of course Apple would love me to buy a new MBP, but the cost of a new one is a downer. I will have to settle for a refurbished or reconditioned replacement, but for now it can wait.

I've no doubt that is to get around the court ruling to allow other browsers. Not ignored it but make it so hard to change to another browser then most users who have limited knowledge on installs/settings will go with the default.

Kev

Can you get direct support from Microsoft? I'm on Win 11 on my laptop (pre-loaded) but not used their OS since XP. I was led to believe it was only via the distributer?

Kev

My laptop is a Dell Vostro 3525 with Win 11. On the build I asked for 2 x USB2.0 ports for legacy equipment. The USB2.0 ports only work for memory sticks and I can't get a legacy FDD or CD-Rom drive to work.

Raised a ticket with Dell on the issue, they collected but only reinstalled and updated Win 11 and the BIOS. Service Centre report made no mention of USB port checks with legacy items. Go figure.

Laptop returned with same issue. After much searching, and an e-mail contact with a MS Windows developer I found out that Win 11 has been stripped of legacy support whether intentionally or not.

The missing file is SFLOPPY.DRV but I'm unsure if another driver is needed for the CD drive. More investigative work to do but if anyone with Win 11 can use legacy, please let me know.

Kev