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Arctic 5th October 2012 01:03

Plenum Check - The Reason Why **ALL OWNERS PLEASE NOTE**
 
Plenums we hear so much about them and the reason why is very clear below in the photo's that follow.

And even more important this time of year with the Autum leaf fall etc.


Yesterday a member of the club Mike came to have his handbrake mod fitted, as i always do i checked the plenum's after asking if he had checked them it turned out he had only brought the car Sunday so the car was very new to him, he had looked at the plenums from the drivers side and could see some water and he also heard the sloshing sound when driving.

The results can be seen below so come on gents lets keep on top of these plenums do the spyhole mod and its only takes 2 minutes to check for water once applied.

Pic 1 water at least 3" deep
https://i.imgur.com/kAtHJbNl.jpg1

Pic 2 The water must have been deeper at some stage according the the pollen filter marks
https://i.imgur.com/kAtHJbNl.jpg2

Pic 3 starting to rod the plenum tube to clear the soggy leaves and dirt which as bunged up the lower tube
https://i.imgur.com/OLMliq7l.jpg3

Pics 4 the water starts to flush out of the plenum this went on for at least 2 mins
https://i.imgur.com/lj2Eghfl.jpg4

Pic 5 Still pouring out strong
https://i.imgur.com/8jm9IEWl.jpg5

Pic 6 slowly stopping with the rain we have been having this so easly could have been worse ECU damage which would have been a crying shame as this MGZT as only 20000 mile on the clock.
https://i.imgur.com/z4u6LeKl.jpg6

Pic 7 All the water drained away this should not happen again as the spyhole mod was put in place and Mike shown how to rod them each week at the same time as checking his oil water etc.
https://i.imgur.com/CJWtq4Nl.jpg7

So lets get checking the plenums right away there is no excuse ;) not to, all the best Arctic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwAj8...wzWShpKlaa5H9g

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This is how you can check your plenums if you have never checked them before this is mainly for new members that is why i have put this thread together so it is all in one place on how to check and also add the spyhole mod & leaf stopper/collector if you so wish, in my opinion worth doing.

This is the windscreen scuttle panel/outer grille which will have to be removed to start checking the plenum for water ingress below Fig1
https://i.imgur.com/y0eKwQal.jpg1

First peel off the weatherstrip up to the wiper fixing point at least Fig2
https://i.imgur.com/zQRvDGrl.jpg2

Now you can press in the plastic spring clips to remove the grille panel Fig 3
https://i.imgur.com/iVa6WErl.jpg3

This will then allow you to remove it and store it safe for the time being Fig 4
https://i.imgur.com/XFAGyhnl.jpg4

Next step is to remove the front screw/clip sometimes you may have to prise this up if it will not screw out.Fig 5/6
https://i.imgur.com/cQLPiSDl.jpg5

Now removed put this safe also
https://i.imgur.com/V3OmKQIl.jpg6

Next prise up and remove the rear scuttle clips hold your finger over the top because these can fly off sometimes never to be found again Fig7/8
https://i.imgur.com/3GxCUaUl.jpg7

https://i.imgur.com/36VqgjQl.jpg8

Remove the first three of these and again put them safe for re-fitting after Fig 9/10
https://i.imgur.com/l9OttLll.jpg9

https://i.imgur.com/Afnzfy3l.jpg10

This will now allow you to lift the front of the scuttle and get access to the shield panel tray which needs to be removed. Fig 11
https://i.imgur.com/VNrkZaZl.jpg11

You can grip and remove the shield panel tray and slid it carefully out from its recess Fig 12/13
https://i.imgur.com/bU2smo5l.jpg12

https://i.imgur.com/dAiXCegl.jpg13

This now exposes the lower plenum and pollen filter area this is also where the ECU resides and can get damaged if water is allowed to build up because of the blocked plenum tube Fig 14
https://i.imgur.com/J7IDIewl.jpg14

Here you can see how i have rodded the tube with my choice of rodding tools a plumbers spring pipe bender 10mm or 15mm also note even though i check these every week that because of the deluge of rain we have had this year and month water is still getting to a certain height from the line seen on the pollen filter, this was empty when i took these photo's but must be filling even though clear because of shear volume of water Fig 15
https://i.imgur.com/tfwYkHLl.jpg15

This shows the rodding tool i use pipe bender with a boot lace and plastic tube the reason why will be seen later in the thread. Fig 16
https://i.imgur.com/8GCiuFml.jpg16

The shield panel tray can now be re-fitted back into place Fig 17/18
https://i.imgur.com/p4hvJUCl.jpg17

https://i.imgur.com/aIV07I5l.jpg18

This photo shows the spyhole mod so the plenum cab be checked and rodded in the future with out having to remove the scuttle clips and trays. Fig 19
https://i.imgur.com/AwKerZ0l.jpg19

Here you can see the rodding tool again in use showing why the lace and plastic tube is needed because the plenum is at least 24" deep Fig 20/21
https://i.imgur.com/ajRhFyol.jpg20

https://i.imgur.com/ajRhFyol.jpg21

Here you can how the spring as come all the way through the plenum and the tube until it reaches the ground under the car Fig 22
https://i.imgur.com/Jc4V2Qbl.jpg22

Once rodded and if you have the spyhole mod in place fit a rubber 25mm bung which can be easily removed rodding in the future Fig 23
https://i.imgur.com/aIV07I5l.jpg23

Replace the front screw clip Fig 24
https://i.imgur.com/uGN2f86l.jpg24

Replace the three scuttle back clips Fig 25/26
https://i.imgur.com/PMd4prZl.jpg25

https://i.imgur.com/TiQnrwll.jpg26

Next replace the rubber weatherstrip Fig 27
https://i.imgur.com/zQRvDGrl.jpg27

And last of all with the job finished refit the windscreen grille panel Fig 28/29
https://i.imgur.com/XFAGyhnl.jpg28

https://i.imgur.com/y0eKwQal.jpg29

The plumber spring i use with lace and plastci tube attached for the extra length needed to get to the bottom of the plenum 10mm or 15mm obtained from Toolstation, Screwfix, B&Q etc Fig 30
https://i.imgur.com/8GCiuFml.jpg30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCTc1...wzWShpKlaa5H9g

Roding the plenum
http://youtu.be/9Hw2SMBPU48


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Plezier 5th October 2012 06:39

Yes despite MrDoodles checking with his rod when I visited him I found the same one as you show all bunged up with twigs and leaves. So bad in fact that when pushing it through it pulled the drain tube off it's seat. It was a bit of a bear to pull back and re-seat :(.

There was not water in there it was all dry in mine so I cleared out all the loose stuff I could find and reach so it cannot wash down and block the drain when it rains.

Brek 5th October 2012 07:20

I've done mine this week, bone dry, but needed a good rodding as was blocked.

beinet1 5th October 2012 07:25

Hi,

Checked mine for a few weeks ago and discovered that the complete rubber hose was missing. Should I be concerned about this??

Parker 5th October 2012 07:28

Excellent pictures, that really shows the importance of checking the plenum regularly and as said if the spyhole mod is done the task takes minutes.

T-Cut 5th October 2012 09:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by beinet1 (Post 1109240)
Checked mine for a few weeks ago and discovered that the complete rubber hose was missing. Should I be concerned about this??

If you mean the plenum floor drain then yes. The general view on this is that the tubes should always be replaced. The plenum floor you see is actually the upper floor of two. There's a closed box section between them into which the water will run. As far as we know, it stays in there somewhere, totally inaccessible and presumably encouraging rust.

TC

Frank Incensed 5th October 2012 09:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by beinet1 (Post 1109240)
Hi,

Checked mine for a few weeks ago and discovered that the complete rubber hose was missing. Should I be concerned about this??

Hi

I can see right through to the ground, so mine's either been circumcised or it's missing, too. I'm going to check it out because, according to information from T-Cut on the following thread, if it's missing then water can get trapped further down in the compartment and cause corrosion. I'm also worried about mice nesting in my pollen filter this winter, or worse still, rewiring my ECU.:D

http://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=414448

Regards
Robert

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-Cut (Post 1109296)
If you mean the plenum floor drain then yes. The general view on this is that the tubes should always be replaced. The plenum floor you see is actually the upper floor of two. There's a closed box section between them into which the water will run. As far as we know, it stays in there somewhere, totally inaccessible and presumably encouraging rust.

TC

Beat me to it TC!:D

Regards

Plezier 5th October 2012 10:30

Is it possible for water to get into the cabin and under the carpet is the rubber drain pipe is not seated properly?

trebor 5th October 2012 10:58

Great pics as usual Steve

HarryM1BYT 5th October 2012 11:56

The best advice, as always, is to stop the bigger bits getting into the plenum in the first place.

Either buy Jules plastic plenum guards, or fit some 'gutter guard' plastic mesh material. All that is needed is the gaps at each side of the plenum (by the bonnet hinges), suitably filled in such that water can go down, but not leaves, twigs, paper and other debris.

Add the plenum spyhole mod, then you can easily check the drains are clear.


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