[Avulon]

Originally Posted by guru

I'm not quote sure how you get £60 for 160 miles? By my calculations........
160 / 3.5 (the MG normally does around 3.5miles per kwh) gives 45.71kwh
45.71 * £0.30 = £13.71 (Ecotricitys standard rate is currently 30p/kwh

and even at Ionitys extortionate 69p per kwh rate it's still only £31.54 although fortunately if we do our run to Bath all of the chargers we'd use are the cheaper Ecotricity ones plus of course we'll leave home fully charged on super cheap power

It was indeed the pricing by ionity that I was referring to, I can't remember which car I'd looked at specs for to get the figures I'm afraid, the MG seems much better than I'd calculated previously. But at the Ionity rate is a fair bit more expensive than running diesel 75, which would be about £18 for the 160 miles range. The ecotricity wins though at that £13.71 price. But still the 30pence/KWh is still more expensive than a domestic tarrif.

Originally Posted by guru

As said we tend to take 2 half hour breaks anyway on that journey so actually it won't add anything to our journey time and I suspect that most people would take a break on a journey of that length.

I normally take breaks based on driving time rather than distance. 4 hours of motorway can be over 200 miles. 4 hours of Scottish coast road, not so far.

Originally Posted by guru

I will concede that for long journeys it's not going to be as convenient however the cost saving makes it worthwhile for us. Of course battery technology is improving all the time and by the time ICE engines are banned in 2035 we'll probably have batteries that will do 400 miles and recharge in 5 minutes so very similar to petrol and diesel cars now.

Still hoping for improvements in battery technology ahead of the normal rate of improvement. Just like our ministers think that they can speed up science by lesislating.... Of course a breakthrough could be made, and I do hope it is.

Originally Posted by guru

I do also hope that people move to electric as soon as possible, the reason being that if people desperately cling on the petrol and diesel cars the government will introduce tougher and more punitive legislation to force everyone to go electric which will then forever affect those of us that want to run classic cars whereas if everyone jumps ship in the next few years naturally they'll leave us alone and we'll still be able to continue running ICE cars.

Who knows what the govt might legislate or not next? only the influencers and 'news' pushers can guess....

Originally Posted by Mike Noc

ICE engines aren't going to be banned in 2035, you just won't be able to buy a new one.

Not true, only sales of cars and, iirc light vans with ICE engines (including hybrids) will be banned (under current plans). Not diesel trains, not jet aircraft, Not lorries, coaches, buses, or motorcycles.

Originally Posted by guru

I think people are a little too hung up on this being about the environment or a tiny minority who's daily commute is over 200 miles!

So screw those guys then, they're a minority?

Originally Posted by guru

As previously stated my reasons have nothing to do with the environment and the fact my daily drivers are either a 29 year old non-catalyst Rover Sterling or a 3.5l V6 SLK go to show it's not really my primary concern. What I dislike most about environmentalists is how preachy and pious they are. You're never going to get people to change by nagging you need to make the alternative easy to live with and that's pretty much where we're at now with electric cars. Yes they're not going to suit 100% of people however neither does an ICE car, there are plenty of people for whom public transport is a better fit with their needs however the fact is that for a majority of people an EV is now a very sensible alternative.

We can all get with disliking the preachy pious, self-righteous climate disasterists.
An E.V can be a sensible alternative. But it's not a universal solution, and that should be recognised, insteading of having them rammed at us as 'the only' option.

Originally Posted by guru

I find it interesting that it only tends to be people who have never tried an EV for an extended period that berate them. I'm yet to talk to anyone who drives an EV and actually wants to go back to an ICE car. I personally look forward to a future where it's only enthusiasts that run ICE cars and I hope that happens before the government decide to tax them out of existence, once we have 500% tax on petrol and diesel it'll never be reversed even when EV's are the norm however if the change happens organically quickly enough that won't happen as they'll have no need to force it.

On that last one, I'm not really surprised, A car is a very considered purchase, I'd think that only those that had given a lot of consideration to the purchase and were already prepared to put up with the cons of EV ownership would buy them in the first place. (at this point in time anyway). And they do certainly have pros as well.