well 2 jobs done today bottom hose not gettin hot so removed plastic thermostat housing and managed to remove inners so hope that helps cooling , also changed auto transmission fluid and did the trick and put hose on bottom cooler line and pumped all old fluid out after removing drain plug and adding 4.5 litres all topped up and gear change seems to be more possetive now as beffore was a bit hitty missy :-) thanks for the post realy helpfull but i still think a dip stick would have been easier lol .