Cant get my second wife to fire up

crazy frog · 9th August 2018, 04:58

Hello all,
MG Ztt Diesel 135 Auto 05. " Electrical" starting problem.
I have had a problem for at least a year with firing up my second wife. (Had her from new )and she will always be my Darling. (but also have another Different newer make not as good but don't tell her) I have bought and tried everything I can over the counter. So now I'm looking for a Prescription from a Doctor! Not all the internet Quacks.
Ok here we go.
1. Turn the key and nothing. ( yes its in Park or Neutral and a fully Smart charged battery. Also a second brand new donor 115 amp/hour Battery. No headlight flash.
2. Turn the key and 1 click from the starter. ( same as above)
3. Turn the key and a lethargic slow crank. ( same as above)
4. Turn the key and a lethargic split second On Off, On Off, On Off, On Off, On Off, On Off crank, to the UNTUNED ear it sound like a slow crank As No 3 above ,but it isn't. its multiple ons and offs.
Now !!!. I believe I know it to be something other than the above obvious battery /charging problem bla bla bla. ( internet Quacks) which is why I need a DOCTORS Prescription.
IE a Spark (Electrician) and more importantly a Knowledgeable Stripper ( Ha ha)
Someone who knows the Actual Trim ,fitting, Mechanical, electrical connection between the Auto gear lever movement and the inhibitor (The relay always clicks fine under the right air vent )and the starter, and how to dismantle and get to the relevant problem part under the gear lever/console.
BECAUSE !!! listen up.
1. if I play around with the gear lever, park through neutral to lower gears and back and up a few times she fires up perfectly .
2. I have now found if I thump directly down Rocky style on the head of my gear lever when she's in park or neutral she fires up like new.
3. Most times after being running for 20 mins she starts first time, this has nothing to do with battery or being charged as proved above.This is where a Spark Electrician comes in , is it just movement or expansion of the electrical contacts , I DONT KNOW ?
4, I can only conclude this has something to do with an electrical connection below my gear lever.
5. Regarding the slow intermittent crank. as I know nothing about detailed electrics.The only thing I can relate this to is when I have had a torch flashlight that was dim, then deliberately banging it, it then shines brighter, obviously a loose contact ( hence wanting the opinion of a Spark , to know how electricity works IE. volts ,current Amps etc when there is a loose contact.?

Technically.
If its any help this may have been self induced through an absolutely necessary and Great handbrake compensator modification, which involved raising the full center console from the back seat area about 8 inches. Obviously lifting the center and front of the console slightly and subsequently the gear lever in the center ??????
I honestly don't know but it does seem coincidental both time scale and symptoms.
Thankyou in anticipation Paul. Crazy Frog.
P.S This is not a social anybody enters thread/Post.

trikey · 9th August 2018, 11:52

It’s your starter solenoid.

Rev Jules · 9th August 2018, 12:13

Have you tried Viagra and the Wipe on/ Wipe off method LOL!

Rev

Bullnose75 · 9th August 2018, 13:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by trikey

It’s your starter solenoid.

Like Trikey says,my first thought would be faulty starter solenoid too as I had similar problems with my Tourer when I first got it, I did the usual checks,brand new fully charged battery,good earths etc but mine would only start after I fiddled around with the auto gear stick too. But then one morning it wouldn't start whatever I did,just a click. So I removed starter motor and found the copper contacts inside the solenoid were very badly worn so wern't making proper contact. Fitted new set of solenoid contacts off of Ebay and starter has worked perfectly and engine has started first time ever since

crazy frog · 10th August 2018, 06:17

Thankyou all.

P.S Jules , that's why I needed a prescription

ratchet · 10th August 2018, 06:24

The operation is fairly straight forward, the patient should only be under the knife for an hour or two..................followed by a speedy recovery

https://the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/s...d.php?t=227317

crazy frog · 12th August 2018, 01:55

Hi Lads, is there a how to pictorial guide , I don't want to get stuck half way through. Ive got an Auto cdti diesel 05

ratchet · 12th August 2018, 07:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy frog

Hi Lads, is there a how to pictorial guide , I don't want to get stuck half way through. Ive got an Auto cdti diesel 05

Look at the link in my post above

crazy frog · 20th August 2018, 22:59

Hi Doctors,
thankyou for the Answer (Proper Prescription) and all the info for my Starting problem.
I have ordered the solenoid repair kit and just waiting for delivery.
Whilst waiting I did a "half, dry run Pre Opp" taking the skin off my knuckles with 13 &15 mm Open ended spanners without anaesthetic on the bottom bolt to no effect.

" I should have paid more attention"

when reading Arctic's Amazing how to. IE= "Ring spanners". Yes blood y on the spanners, PUN definitely intended. Anyway a few plasters, some Penetrating oil and £11 for the proper Ring spanners from Halfords and the bottom bolt has broken loose and tightened back up again, awaiting open heart surgery. Thanks Arctic.

However I can not for the boots on my feet find the " Pictured Top Bolt" I can see a couple of bolts but they don't look like the one in the pictorial guide and definitely not with an earth strap ???. Also I seem to have more metal and flexi piping around this area. perhaps Webasto pre-heater (I honestly don't know)
I am trying trying trying to enclose some Amateur pictures of my MG ZTT CDTI 135+ Automatic 2005,engine bay
Can a Doctor please help me.

Thankyou Paul.

clf · 20th August 2018, 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy frog

However I can not for the boots on my feet find the " Pictured Top Bolt" I can see a couple of bolts but they don't look like the one in the pictorial guide and definitely not with an earth strap ???. Also I seem to have more metal and flexi piping around this area. perhaps Webasto pre-heater (I honestly don't know)
I am trying trying trying to enclose some Amateur pictures of my MG ZTT CDTI 135+ Automatic 2005,engine bay
Can a Doctor please help me.

Thankyou Paul.

Had that issue 4 years ago (the starter removal issue). Had to work blind, but was all explained for me HERE

9th August 2018, 04:58	#1
crazy frog Avid contributor MG ZTT Cdti 135 + Auto Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 244 Thanks: 89 Thanked 63 Times in 29 Posts	Cant get my second wife to fire up Hello all, MG Ztt Diesel 135 Auto 05. " Electrical" starting problem. I have had a problem for at least a year with firing up my second wife. (Had her from new )and she will always be my Darling. (but also have another Different newer make not as good but don't tell her) I have bought and tried everything I can over the counter. So now I'm looking for a Prescription from a Doctor! Not all the internet Quacks. Ok here we go. 1. Turn the key and nothing. ( yes its in Park or Neutral and a fully Smart charged battery. Also a second brand new donor 115 amp/hour Battery. No headlight flash. 2. Turn the key and 1 click from the starter. ( same as above) 3. Turn the key and a lethargic slow crank. ( same as above) 4. Turn the key and a lethargic split second On Off, On Off, On Off, On Off, On Off, On Off crank, to the UNTUNED ear it sound like a slow crank As No 3 above ,but it isn't. its multiple ons and offs. Now !!!. I believe I know it to be something other than the above obvious battery /charging problem bla bla bla. ( internet Quacks) which is why I need a DOCTORS Prescription. IE a Spark (Electrician) and more importantly a Knowledgeable Stripper ( Ha ha) Someone who knows the Actual Trim ,fitting, Mechanical, electrical connection between the Auto gear lever movement and the inhibitor (The relay always clicks fine under the right air vent )and the starter, and how to dismantle and get to the relevant problem part under the gear lever/console. BECAUSE !!! listen up. 1. if I play around with the gear lever, park through neutral to lower gears and back and up a few times she fires up perfectly . 2. I have now found if I thump directly down Rocky style on the head of my gear lever when she's in park or neutral she fires up like new. 3. Most times after being running for 20 mins she starts first time, this has nothing to do with battery or being charged as proved above.This is where a Spark Electrician comes in , is it just movement or expansion of the electrical contacts , I DONT KNOW ? 4, I can only conclude this has something to do with an electrical connection below my gear lever. 5. Regarding the slow intermittent crank. as I know nothing about detailed electrics.The only thing I can relate this to is when I have had a torch flashlight that was dim, then deliberately banging it, it then shines brighter, obviously a loose contact ( hence wanting the opinion of a Spark , to know how electricity works IE. volts ,current Amps etc when there is a loose contact.? Technically. If its any help this may have been self induced through an absolutely necessary and Great handbrake compensator modification, which involved raising the full center console from the back seat area about 8 inches. Obviously lifting the center and front of the console slightly and subsequently the gear lever in the center ?????? I honestly don't know but it does seem coincidental both time scale and symptoms. Thankyou in anticipation Paul. Crazy Frog. P.S This is not a social anybody enters thread/Post.

9th August 2018, 11:52	#2
trikey Premium Trader Rover 75 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Devon Posts: 33,808 Thanks: 8,837 Thanked 14,831 Times in 8,030 Posts	It’s your starter solenoid. __________________ Lest we forget..

20th August 2018, 22:59	#9
crazy frog Avid contributor MG ZTT Cdti 135 + Auto Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 244 Thanks: 89 Thanked 63 Times in 29 Posts	Help Hi Doctors, thankyou for the Answer (Proper Prescription) and all the info for my Starting problem. I have ordered the solenoid repair kit and just waiting for delivery. Whilst waiting I did a "half, dry run Pre Opp" taking the skin off my knuckles with 13 &15 mm Open ended spanners without anaesthetic on the bottom bolt to no effect. " I should have paid more attention" when reading Arctic's Amazing how to. IE= "Ring spanners". Yes blood y on the spanners, PUN definitely intended. Anyway a few plasters, some Penetrating oil and £11 for the proper Ring spanners from Halfords and the bottom bolt has broken loose and tightened back up again, awaiting open heart surgery. Thanks Arctic. However I can not for the boots on my feet find the " Pictured Top Bolt" I can see a couple of bolts but they don't look like the one in the pictorial guide and definitely not with an earth strap ???. Also I seem to have more metal and flexi piping around this area. perhaps Webasto pre-heater (I honestly don't know) I am trying trying trying to enclose some Amateur pictures of my MG ZTT CDTI 135+ Automatic 2005,engine bay Can a Doctor please help me. Thankyou Paul.

9th August 2018, 12:13	#3
Rev Jules This is my second home Rover 75 Tourer+ Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Radcliffe on Trent Posts: 10,718 Thanks: 7,308 Thanked 3,929 Times in 2,051 Posts	Have you tried Viagra and the Wipe on/ Wipe off method LOL! Rev

10th August 2018, 06:17	#5
crazy frog Avid contributor MG ZTT Cdti 135 + Auto Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 244 Thanks: 89 Thanked 63 Times in 29 Posts	Thankyou all. P.S Jules , that's why I needed a prescription

10th August 2018, 06:24	#6
ratchet Posted a thing or two ZT-T + CTDI Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Gone walkabout Posts: 1,185 Thanks: 179 Thanked 361 Times in 289 Posts	The operation is fairly straight forward, the patient should only be under the knife for an hour or two..................followed by a speedy recovery https://the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/s...d.php?t=227317

12th August 2018, 01:55	#7
crazy frog Avid contributor MG ZTT Cdti 135 + Auto Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 244 Thanks: 89 Thanked 63 Times in 29 Posts	Hi Lads, is there a how to pictorial guide , I don't want to get stuck half way through. Ive got an Auto cdti diesel 05