Fuel shortage, What fuel shortage??

[Number 6]

Petrol tanker drivers have an ADR qualification as well as a HGV licence. They need this for them to drive petrol tanker lorries.
There is a shortage of HGV drivers. That's a true fact.
However HGV drivers cannot drive a petrol Tanker lorry without having an ADR qualification.
The UK had ADR drivers last week. NOTHING repeat NOTHING changed much in a week. Maybe some holiday or some sickness but not, I doubt a dramatic change.
The ADR drivers that were driving last week are still driving this week delivering fuel. So nothing has changed.
The petrol panic we are now experiencing is all down too media hype.
It's not because of brexit because all the EU drivers went back to Europe. Which is some of the reasons being banded about.
These EU HGV driver's, left months ago, and yet the country was still getting fuel without problems up until today.
So what's changed? Nothing !!
Apart from the disgraceful media hype and scaremongering to make news. Too sensationalise the fact that a couple of petrol stations were getting a late delivery so they closed.
The Result of the media scaremongering!!
Massive panic and chaos by everyone. Which is now causing a shortage of fuel until the ADR drivers, that we already had delivering fuel a few days ago, can deliver again.
The media should be fined and penalised, severely for publicising false news and creating the crazy situation that has been going on all today. Disgusting. They should hold their heads in shame.
And to top it the government have 1000’s of trained military personnel who are available if there was a real fuel crisis. Ruddy Media!! Ruddy sheep, Ruddy selfish mentality.

[grivas]

Originally Posted by Number 6

Petrol tanker drivers have an ADR qualification as well as a HGV licence. They need this for them to drive petrol tanker lorries.
There is a shortage of HGV drivers. That's a true fact.
However HGV drivers cannot drive a petrol Tanker lorry without having an ADR qualification.
The UK had ADR drivers last week. NOTHING repeat NOTHING changed much in a week. Maybe some holiday or some sickness but not, I doubt a dramatic change.
The ADR drivers that were driving last week are still driving this week delivering fuel. So nothing has changed.
The petrol panic we are now experiencing is all down too media hype.
It's not because of brexit because all the EU drivers went back to Europe. Which is some of the reasons being banded about.
These EU HGV driver's, left months ago, and yet the country was still getting fuel without problems up until today.
So what's changed? Nothing !!
Apart from the disgraceful media hype and scaremongering to make news. Too sensationalise the fact that a couple of petrol stations were getting a late delivery so they closed.
The Result of the media scaremongering!!
Massive panic and chaos by everyone. Which is now causing a shortage of fuel until the ADR drivers, that we already had delivering fuel a few days ago, can deliver again.
The media should be fined and penalised, severely for publicising false news and creating the crazy situation that has been going on all today. Disgusting. They should hold their heads in shame.
And to top it the government have 1000’s of trained military personnel who are available if there was a real fuel crisis. Ruddy Media!! Ruddy sheep, Ruddy selfish mentality.

As we see it, there may or may not be a shortage of fuel. What does that actually mean in the real world?

1. What the media say
2. What people say on the social media.
3. What people say when attempting to fill-up their vehicles.
4. What the average individual believes.

Take your pick.

Then we have to consider what kind of fuel is affected, petrol/diesel etc.

Then is it a question of availability due to reasons to do with delivery to selling stations or distribution problems from the distilleries.

In our experience many of the local sellers have run out, because they sold out, and because there have been NO DELIVERIES to them, reason not given when asked.

So there seems to be a combination of all factors, shortage of suitably qualified drivers, and panic buying, and attention grubbing media, fuelled (ha ha!) by morons on social media spreading false info.

Has Brexit been a contributing factor? who knows. As usual the government sit on the fence blaming everybody else and takes no responsibility, why should anyone expect anything different, its now policy with these lot, the poor public go along like lemmings over the cliff.

We should all calm down buy sensibly and all will become evident soon enough, one way or the other.



Then

[macafee2]

what did the media say?
Do many people refer to tanker drivers as anything other then HGV or arctic drivers?
If the media said there was a shortage of drivers and a few stations closed, if that is true then all they did were report the facts, we did the rest.
I understand that there may be times when reporting the news causes panic and the question needs to be asked, should it be reported but then should we the public, be kept in the dark?

Anyone going to admit to panic buying of fuel?

macafee2

[MSS]

Originally Posted by macafee2

Anyone going to admit to panic buying of fuel?

macafee2

My Omega is still sitting here nearly empty and will do so until the queues die down. The other cars are all between 1/4 and half full. This will last us about 3 weeks.

I did go out and buy 4L of unleaded for the chainsaw and brushcutter two days ago, but half of that is already used up.

[MSS]

The one thing that did strike me was how welcome the European drivers are being made to feel to come over. The ministaer's statement more or less said come over and help us but then we want you to p*** off before Christmas. We are not sharing our turkey and sprouts with you lot!

How nice!

[stevestrat]

Originally Posted by MSS

We are not sharing our turkey and sprouts with you lot!

How nice!

What turkey Most producers had reduced the numbers due to the lack of and uncertainty about foreign workers. The government announced on Saturday that it will allow visas for foreign workers in the poultry industry but its too late. Christmas dinner is liable to be a cheese sarnie.

[grivas]

Originally Posted by MSS

The one thing that did strike me was how welcome the European drivers are being made to feel to come over. The ministaer's statement more or less said come over and help us but then we want you to p*** off before Christmas. We are not sharing our turkey and sprouts with you lot!

How nice!

Exactly, are we hypocrites?, would I go over to France to pick e.g. grapes when I am treated in an unwelcoming manner, no certainly not. in any case it is not the British way, so why on earth do we put up with it.

[Lancpudn]

Originally Posted by MSS

The one thing that did strike me was how welcome the European drivers are being made to feel to come over. The ministaer's statement more or less said come over and help us but then we want you to p*** off before Christmas. We are not sharing our turkey and sprouts with you lot!

How nice!

Most of the EE drivers that were over here before Brexit will not come back to the UK because the UK Government’s tax policy IR35 for self-employed people would impact on the thousands of foreign HGV drivers who work through agencies. They had their tax liability deferred for a year but it would now be due on arrival in Britain, while some faced repayments of £10,000 I don't fully understand the taxation complexities of IR35 but the truck forums know full well these drivers wont be back because of tax they will owe to HMRC on setting foot in Blighty again..

[bl52krz]

I have not ‘panick bought’ fuel. To me, it’s like in the summer when prices are stupid, my opinion, and lettuce, tomatoes and the like go shooting up in price.We leave them alone. Toilet rolls? Plenty of paper around. It appears that the stupid inhabitants of this stupid country, are turning into lemmings. Thanks to social media. I always rely on the aliens that visit me with anything I need. Da Da dumb and dummer.I despair of this country and a lot of its gormless inhabitants.

[victorgte]

When I was offered my HGV license for free in 1994 it was because there was a shortage of drivers.
The problem has still not been addressed.
Successive Governments have failed to act.
Hauliers have treated drivers as a necessary evil and paid them peanuts.
The promise of 105 new truck stops in 1997 produced just 2.
Why would a young driver with a family want to work 71 hours a week? Perfectly legal too.
Today there is a haulier only 10 miles from me that pays its drivers only £8.88 per hour. The loophole is simple. Daily rate is £120. Divided by 13.5 hours worked gives you the hourly rate. Needless to say they lost 3 quarters of their drivers but the remaining 25% are mug enough to take poor pay.
The industry has been subject to a welcome introduction of a new professional addition, the driver CPC which makes the job safer and keeps drivers knowledge up to date.
Unfortunately older drivers decided to retire rather than go through more classroom time. Younger or new drivers had to go through another written test to get a licence. Would you be happy to do all of this for £8.88 per hour?
I agree with the CPC but if you are going to take the job to another level of professionalism you need to pay a wage that recognises it.
Right now ALL hauliers are having to pay more for drivers. Even the one paying £120 has just increased the rate to £131 per day. Still peanuts.


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