The youth of today...

[BigRuss]

Originally Posted by Zeb

Bottom line, people will do what they think they can get away with...so, parents, teachers and higher authorities should be taking a no-nonsense line and not wilting when put under pressure about human rights or political correctness....hardly rocket science to regain the upper hand....but if we leave it and fail to draw a line in the sand, it will become increasingly difficult to put right.

Totally agree Zeb, children by their very nature will push the boundries as far as they can and always have done. Problem is there aren't any meaningful consequences for overstepping the mark. Any confontation of any unacceptable behavior is either met with a string of expletives or " what you going to do about it you can't touch me".

Excluding kids from school for bad behaviour, that's just giving the most disruptive what they want. I can think of a few classmates from my days at school that would have taken full advantage of this.

Disipline in school didn't do me any harm, you knew what the boundries were and knew the consequenses.


Russ

[Zeb]

The problem highlighted by the article is one that I am coming up against more and more...kids who have been involved in altercations at the school gate in Yr 9 or 10 are going to college, doing 6 months of a course and then finding that employers will not take them on for work placements because when CRB checked it shows that they have had a warning four years previously! So the college then kicks them out because they cannot complete the course. In effect they have been criminalised aged 13 for trivial stuff that in days gone by would have been dealt with by the school and their future prospects have been damaged in the process....the irony is that this often happens because it makes the 'detection' rates look better rather than as any sort of deterrent. So I do hope that all this discussion in the media leads to a more common-sense approach to this aspect of the debate...

[nick nick]

Originally Posted by tigerchubs

I dont feel the kids are any worse today than in the 70s & 80s. I was a teenager in the mid to late 70s, I was a punk rocker and a biker and even then we were looked down on by our peers and targeted by the police. We had violence, fueled by boredom, discontent and cheap booze. A lot were unemployed, had no money and no prospects, but the majority seem to have grown into decent human beings? Some of todays teenagers are dying for their country what bigger sacrifice could anyone make.

I'd give em a chance because I dont think they will turn out all that bad.

Hi kevin
In the 1980s the youth put a smile on peoples faces the wild and colorful
hair styles the mis match fashion .
they were fun but if you dont conform you wont be excepted
and will attract the attention of the authorities
just look back in history teddy boys/ mods and rockers/hippies/skinheads
and your punks they all had the one thing in common
THE POLICE .
and like you said most turned out to be decent people
I some times think they should bring back national service for
those who want to go around being violent towards others
Just take them out of circulation not prison (university for criminals )
the armed forces would be ideal to sort these kids out
we have always had bad kids but i personally think there are more
about today then in the past but how do you stop them there's
no deterrent...pass the buck blame the parents
Regards
NICK NICK

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by Zeb

So I do hope that all this discussion in the media leads to a more common-sense approach to this aspect of the debate...

I must say that some of the charges I see in the Youth Court appal me when the lasting damage done is considered.

There are times when I've wished to throw the charge out.