Energy bills - Page 19

Stevie25 · 10th February 2022, 19:11

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Originally Posted by macafee2

yes you did have to spell it out and did so, thank you.

macafee2

Thank you for your kind comments
For any future posts on this subject I will certainly spell it out very simply, just for you, so there is no confusion and you can understand it.

mbev51 · 11th February 2022, 07:13

Is anyone struggling to pay their energy bills?

We only have our oil central heating on now for around 2.5 hrs in the morning. I light the wood burner around 5 pm and that keeps our lounge and through an open door, the kitchen warm. Our bedroom about the lounge has the chill taken off it.

Borg Warner · 11th February 2022, 08:31

No. Just had our dd reduced and a refund from our supplier, we where considerably in credit. Took a new deal with them in October just before it all went crazy, I guessed we were paying too much though. We are, however, paying more than this time last year.

Think the thing with us is we eventually had the gas fire installed, we were firing the ch up for the whole house just to warm the living room up. I also replaced a radiator in the kitchen and back bedroom, they were very small as well as removed additional ones from other rooms that had two in them which they didn't need.

We have an older floor standing gas boiler serviced every year.

wraymond · 11th February 2022, 08:36

It’s not political, it’s economical.

Really? The latest three card trick is we get ‘given’ £200 to help with the impending rise in fuel charges which we then pay back over 5 years at £40 a year. Interest free? No, it's not. The economy, together with our money, suffers devaluation as well as inflation during that five years.

When I say ‘we’ I mean everybody who pays a fuel bill. Whether or not we want it, need it, or flatly refuse it we will be indebted to the government for 5 years, just when prices are sure to be increased yet again. Was there ever a more obvious Ponzi scheme?

Add to that the increasing pressure to get a so-called smart meter installed for free. Free? Really? It can, of course, be switched off remotely.
We are then indebted to H.M. Gov for the full 5 years to pay this back. What happens if the payer becomes unemployed or dies in the meantime?

It won’t need an abacus to work out that the current rampage through paying for a supposedly Green environment is taking on some scary dependency on a government that’s in thrall to financiers and bankers. Oh, and a Chancellor who was one. Just who was it that put the cart before the horse?

Lemmings or what? Roll on Martin Lewis.

mbev51 · 11th February 2022, 09:28

The ‘loan’ is not a well throughout device. I too would opt out but there’s no mechanism. It’s compulsory, it’s not very democratic. What happens when prices don’t come down, we will all be paying huge bills when we are also paying back this loan. Some joined up thinking needs to be applied to this so that the poorest get help.

Borg Warner · 11th February 2022, 11:59

Interesting:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/15...ood-gas-prices

Government could always remove vat or place a windfall tax on companies.

Maybe those that don't want/need the help could buy a weekly shop and take it to a food bank.

edwardmk · 11th February 2022, 12:53

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Originally Posted by COLVERT

Fusion has always been the dream of scientists.--There's enough energy in a cup of water to heat Britain for a day.---

Won't happen though.---

I'm not sceptical enough to say it will never happen, but I do agree the solution is a long way off. I think the last experiment produced enough energy to boil around seventy kettles according to the talking heads in the media. I'd be much more impressed if I saw those kettles actually boiling after the experiment! The media were promising a vaccine against dental decay when I graduated in 1974. I considered abandoning dentistry after reading that article. Still hasn't happened though not to say it never will.

macafee2 · 11th February 2022, 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbev51

The ‘loan’ is not a well throughout device. I too would opt out but there’s no mechanism. It’s compulsory, it’s not very democratic. What happens when prices don’t come down, we will all be paying huge bills when we are also paying back this loan. Some joined up thinking needs to be applied to this so that the poorest get help.

put the money from the loan into a new back account, dont spend it. Then you can take £40 a year to pay the loan back

macafee2

wraymond · 11th February 2022, 16:19

There are many banks that offer a start-up credit balance of £150.00 for new accounts.

COLVERT · 12th February 2022, 08:11

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Originally Posted by edwardmk

I'm not sceptical enough to say it will never happen, but I do agree the solution is a long way off. I think the last experiment produced enough energy to boil around seventy kettles according to the talking heads in the media. I'd be much more impressed if I saw those kettles actually boiling after the experiment! The media were promising a vaccine against dental decay when I graduated in 1974. I considered abandoning dentistry after reading that article. Still hasn't happened though not to say it never will.

Still on the theme of energy and where is it going to come from.

FUSION takes place in nature in the heart of stars at billions of degrees of heat and unimaginable pressures.--Our scientist are, maybe, clever but not that clever.

That pipe dream of limitless power is going to remain just that and won't help us poor old codgers trying to keep warm right now without using money from food to subsidise our heating.----------

11th February 2022, 08:36	#184
wraymond This is my second home 75 Auto 2.5 SE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westcliff on Sea Posts: 5,209 Thanks: 423 Thanked 1,680 Times in 1,014 Posts	It’s not political, it’s economical. Really? The latest three card trick is we get ‘given’ £200 to help with the impending rise in fuel charges which we then pay back over 5 years at £40 a year. Interest free? No, it's not. The economy, together with our money, suffers devaluation as well as inflation during that five years. When I say ‘we’ I mean everybody who pays a fuel bill. Whether or not we want it, need it, or flatly refuse it we will be indebted to the government for 5 years, just when prices are sure to be increased yet again. Was there ever a more obvious Ponzi scheme? Add to that the increasing pressure to get a so-called smart meter installed for free. Free? Really? It can, of course, be switched off remotely. We are then indebted to H.M. Gov for the full 5 years to pay this back. What happens if the payer becomes unemployed or dies in the meantime? It won’t need an abacus to work out that the current rampage through paying for a supposedly Green environment is taking on some scary dependency on a government that’s in thrall to financiers and bankers. Oh, and a Chancellor who was one. Just who was it that put the cart before the horse? Lemmings or what? Roll on Martin Lewis. __________________ member no. 235

11th February 2022, 16:19	#189
wraymond This is my second home 75 Auto 2.5 SE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westcliff on Sea Posts: 5,209 Thanks: 423 Thanked 1,680 Times in 1,014 Posts	There are many banks that offer a start-up credit balance of £150.00 for new accounts. __________________ member no. 235

11th February 2022, 07:13	#182
mbev51 Banned Removed Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Removed Posts: 1,343 Thanks: 171 Thanked 315 Times in 223 Posts	Is anyone struggling to pay their energy bills? We only have our oil central heating on now for around 2.5 hrs in the morning. I light the wood burner around 5 pm and that keeps our lounge and through an open door, the kitchen warm. Our bedroom about the lounge has the chill taken off it.

11th February 2022, 08:31	#183
Borg Warner I really should get out more....... None Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2,579 Thanks: 494 Thanked 657 Times in 402 Posts	No. Just had our dd reduced and a refund from our supplier, we where considerably in credit. Took a new deal with them in October just before it all went crazy, I guessed we were paying too much though. We are, however, paying more than this time last year. Think the thing with us is we eventually had the gas fire installed, we were firing the ch up for the whole house just to warm the living room up. I also replaced a radiator in the kitchen and back bedroom, they were very small as well as removed additional ones from other rooms that had two in them which they didn't need. We have an older floor standing gas boiler serviced every year.

11th February 2022, 09:28	#185
mbev51 Banned Removed Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Removed Posts: 1,343 Thanks: 171 Thanked 315 Times in 223 Posts	The ‘loan’ is not a well throughout device. I too would opt out but there’s no mechanism. It’s compulsory, it’s not very democratic. What happens when prices don’t come down, we will all be paying huge bills when we are also paying back this loan. Some joined up thinking needs to be applied to this so that the poorest get help.

11th February 2022, 11:59	#186
Borg Warner I really should get out more....... None Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2,579 Thanks: 494 Thanked 657 Times in 402 Posts	Interesting: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/15...ood-gas-prices Government could always remove vat or place a windfall tax on companies. Maybe those that don't want/need the help could buy a weekly shop and take it to a food bank.