How British are my MGs and Rovers? - Page 2

Parker · 6th October 2016, 07:11

It's a global market and actually it is us the consumer also to blame. I am in the TV industry manufacturing in South Wales, yes most parts come from China but why is that. The Japanese dominated the market throughout the 80's and 90's but the supermarkets started stocking TV's cheap imports with strange brand names but consumers bought them because they were cheap, all of a sudden a mickey mouse brand 42" plasma was £1500 in Tesco against a Sony £3500 in Dixon. The brand manufacturers had no choice , their costs had to come down and the result now China or Turkey makes the majority of your TV's even those that you once thought were traditionally Japanese. JVC, Sharp, Panasonic etc. Sure you can still buy expensive sets of quality but made in Japan? Samsung sums it up with their dominance in the market.

So yes we are all to blame really in the decline of industry because we just want to buy things cheaper and cheaper. So the retailers put pressure on manufacturers and manufacturers have to react to survive and if importing from China is cheaper than British made 5 miles away, then China wins, economics

That said take a look http://www.stillmadeinbritain.co.uk/ it's not all doom and gloom

Kennyeth · 6th October 2016, 07:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by murphyv310

Hi.
The tide could turn with the pound being low. Exports will be cheaper abroad but conversely parts coming in will be more expensive, so it is more than possible we could see a rise in component manufacturing in the UK and that cant be bad.

Pound is certainly weak, I have not looked today but yesterday it
was $1.27 for £1
I feel like I`m being robbed every time I buy in Dollars or send money to the States.
Ken.

Dorset Bob · 6th October 2016, 18:22

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Originally Posted by coab

"Its a shame and i wish things were different because this country has nothing to offer the world."
Er hang on we have a trade surplus with China due to the Jaguars and Land Rovers we make here so not is all bad. Almost every spare piece of development land in Coventry is being bought by JLR for development, research and manufacture.
A shining light for industry but we do still make pork pies, cider, pork scratchings and the odd plate in Stoke!

Please feel free everyone to add things to the list!

Triumph Motorcycles.

To quote Haynes
"Where is the most modern motorcycle factory in the world? Tokyo? Berlin? Turin maybe? No, it's in Hinckley, Leicestershire, improbable at it seems......"

I am a proud owner of these fine machines, that enjoy excellent sales and a healthy export market.

I don't buy into the fact that we can't compete against cheap, low labour cost countries. After all, BMW, VAG, Mercedes etc etc are not in that category.

We just need some long term investment in our manufacturing industry, (rather than bankers in the City) like John Bloor did, with his own money, with Triumph.

Dallas · 6th October 2016, 18:29

Many of the genuine MG Rover alloy wheels are MADE IN POLAND.

mystabe · 6th October 2016, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parker

It's a global market and actually it is us the consumer also to blame. I am in the TV industry manufacturing in South Wales, yes most parts come from China but why is that. The Japanese dominated the market throughout the 80's and 90's but the supermarkets started stocking TV's cheap imports with strange brand names but consumers bought them because they were cheap, all of a sudden a mickey mouse brand 42" plasma was £1500 in Tesco against a Sony £3500 in Dixon. The brand manufacturers had no choice , their costs had to come down and the result now China or Turkey makes the majority of your TV's even those that you once thought were traditionally Japanese. JVC, Sharp, Panasonic etc. Sure you can still buy expensive sets of quality but made in Japan? Samsung sums it up with their dominance in the market.

So yes we are all to blame really in the decline of industry because we just want to buy things cheaper and cheaper. So the retailers put pressure on manufacturers and manufacturers have to react to survive and if importing from China is cheaper than British made 5 miles away, then China wins, economics

That said take a look http://www.stillmadeinbritain.co.uk/ it's not all doom and gloom

I wonder how many 'shut the doors and forget the rest of the world' people will want to pay £900 for a British made 32" TV

In my experience they are usually the same people that moan that things cost too much as well.....

:coat:

MSS · 6th October 2016, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parker

It's a global market and actually it is us the consumer also to blame. I am in the TV industry manufacturing in South Wales, yes most parts come from China but why is that. The Japanese dominated the market throughout the 80's and 90's but the supermarkets started stocking TV's cheap imports with strange brand names but consumers bought them because they were cheap, all of a sudden a mickey mouse brand 42" plasma was £1500 in Tesco against a Sony £3500 in Dixon. The brand manufacturers had no choice , their costs had to come down and the result now China or Turkey makes the majority of your TV's even those that you once thought were traditionally Japanese. JVC, Sharp, Panasonic etc. Sure you can still buy expensive sets of quality but made in Japan? Samsung sums it up with their dominance in the market.

So yes we are all to blame really in the decline of industry because we just want to buy things cheaper and cheaper. So the retailers put pressure on manufacturers and manufacturers have to react to survive and if importing from China is cheaper than British made 5 miles away, then China wins, economics

That said take a look http://www.stillmadeinbritain.co.uk/ it's not all doom and gloom

An excellent post. I agree wholeheartedly.

bl52krz · 6th October 2016, 21:22

And the steel for the bodyshell probably comes from China.

MSS · 7th October 2016, 05:59

As Parker's post presents so eloquently, the state of our industries is the result of the public's desire to buy the cheapest without due consideration to country of manufacture, quality of the item or the impact on their countrymen/women. This behaviour is demonstrated by a broad spectrum of the population and is a-political.

Let's not politicise the discussion.

coab · 7th October 2016, 06:23

Its down to value for money, quality of the goods and how long it lasts. The car market is full of Kias, Hyundais, and Dacias etc that were truly dreadful a few years ago but now are well built, look as good as any other main brand and arent basic outdated NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- anymore as the price of all the mod cons were are used to have fallen due to being made in the far east.
I do think we should as a nation try to buy British goods and sticking a sticker to point it out would be good but it isnt going to work if the item is 50% dearer than an import. I always buy British meat etc in supermarkets as the price difference is minimal.

Mike Noc · 7th October 2016, 08:26

Remember seeing a woman on the TV talking about apples and banging on about how we should all be eating English Cox's instead of French Golden Disgustings, and generally how it would help our farmers if we backed the flag and bought British food.

That's the spirit I thought, but then she spoilt it somewhat when she drove off in her Renault.

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Parker This is my second home Jaguar XJ 3.0 V6 Auto (X350) & Hyundai Tuscon 2020 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Bridgend Posts: 10,342 Thanks: 69 Thanked 559 Times in 356 Posts	It's a global market and actually it is us the consumer also to blame. I am in the TV industry manufacturing in South Wales, yes most parts come from China but why is that. The Japanese dominated the market throughout the 80's and 90's but the supermarkets started stocking TV's cheap imports with strange brand names but consumers bought them because they were cheap, all of a sudden a mickey mouse brand 42" plasma was £1500 in Tesco against a Sony £3500 in Dixon. The brand manufacturers had no choice , their costs had to come down and the result now China or Turkey makes the majority of your TV's even those that you once thought were traditionally Japanese. JVC, Sharp, Panasonic etc. Sure you can still buy expensive sets of quality but made in Japan? Samsung sums it up with their dominance in the market. So yes we are all to blame really in the decline of industry because we just want to buy things cheaper and cheaper. So the retailers put pressure on manufacturers and manufacturers have to react to survive and if importing from China is cheaper than British made 5 miles away, then China wins, economics That said take a look http://www.stillmadeinbritain.co.uk/ it's not all doom and gloom __________________ http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...a585a72d1c.jpg "The only thing to do with good advice is pass it on. It is never any use to oneself" SOME VERY USEFUL LINKS SIMPLE DOOR MIRROR REPAIR FITTING CROFT DOOR FINISHERS FORUM RULES CLUB SHOP Last edited by Parker; 6th October 2016 at 07:14..

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bl52krz This is my second home Rover 75 cdt club + Rover 2.5 KV6 Conni SE Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 11,445 Thanks: 6,587 Thanked 2,262 Times in 1,729 Posts	And the steel for the bodyshell probably comes from China. __________________ Great Barr, Birmingham.

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MSS This is my second home Rover 75CDT, Jaguar XF-S 3.0V6, Astra Techline Estate and Corsa 1.2 SXI Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7,139 Thanks: 283 Thanked 624 Times in 440 Posts	As Parker's post presents so eloquently, the state of our industries is the result of the public's desire to buy the cheapest without due consideration to country of manufacture, quality of the item or the impact on their countrymen/women. This behaviour is demonstrated by a broad spectrum of the population and is a-political. Let's not politicise the discussion. Last edited by MSS; 8th October 2016 at 08:19..

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Dallas This is my second home 1979 Capri 1.6L, 1982 Capri 1.6L, 2016 Dacia Stepway Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dorset Posts: 8,596 Thanks: 3,496 Thanked 3,397 Times in 2,218 Posts	Many of the genuine MG Rover alloy wheels are MADE IN POLAND.

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coab This is my second home 2007 57 GOLF GTi EDITION 30 DSG Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Newport Shropshire and Coventry. Posts: 5,147 Thanks: 2,424 Thanked 1,452 Times in 852 Posts	Its down to value for money, quality of the goods and how long it lasts. The car market is full of Kias, Hyundais, and Dacias etc that were truly dreadful a few years ago but now are well built, look as good as any other main brand and arent basic outdated NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- anymore as the price of all the mod cons were are used to have fallen due to being made in the far east. I do think we should as a nation *try* to buy British goods and sticking a sticker to point it out would be good but it isnt going to work if the item is 50% dearer than an import. I always buy British meat etc in supermarkets as the price difference is minimal.

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Mike Noc This is my second home Rover 75 CDT Manual Connoisseur SE, Rover 75 CDT Automatic Connoisseur SE & a Freelander Td4. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hampshire Posts: 11,588 Thanks: 3,470 Thanked 3,119 Times in 2,247 Posts	Remember seeing a woman on the TV talking about apples and banging on about how we should all be eating English Cox's instead of French Golden Disgustings, and generally how it would help our farmers if we backed the flag and bought British food. That's the spirit I thought, but then she spoilt it somewhat when she drove off in her Renault.