Arthur Daleys on fleabay !! - Page 2

freck · 9th November 2015, 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by cengar

A mot pass is valid until the day it expires a failure issued before its expiry does not invalidate it. depending on what the failure is it may not fall fowl of C&U regulations. emissions are one example.

How can that possibly be? If it fails an MOT test at any time then it is unroadworthy and would be illegal to use on the road (apart from returning from the test station)

steve-45 · 9th November 2015, 19:02

I can see both sides of the argument here, but why do they advertise you can present for a test up-to 1 month early if a failure results in you being off the road?

freck · 9th November 2015, 19:11

From the DVLA website:

Driving a vehicle that’s failed

You must not drive the vehicle on the road if it fails the test, even if the MOT hasn’t run out, except to:

have the failed defects fixed
a pre-arranged MOT test appointment

As shown in kc13661's post

kc13661 · 9th November 2015, 20:25

21/10/2015
Fail
Mileage
67562 miles
Refusal Notices
Offside front track rod end ball joint has excessive play (2.2.b.1f)
Drivers airbag obviously defective (5.4.1)
Nearside front headlamp not working on dipped beam (1.7.5a)
Advisory Notices
Front brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (3.5.1i)
Rear brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (3.5.1i)
Rear exhaust box rusty

marinabrian · 9th November 2015, 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by freck

Well the MOT till mid December is now void then

No it isn't

kc13661 · 9th November 2015, 20:34

https://totalcarcheck.co.uk/FreeCheck?regv=VO05GAA

MOT History

FrazzleTC · 9th November 2015, 20:40

Looks like really quite a poor car. The paint looks dreadful in the close-ups, but, I've seen worse. Depends on your plans for it!

Darcydog · 9th November 2015, 21:00

I think there is confusion over what is a valid MOT and what is a roadworthy car.

It is my understanding that the original MOT is still valid and would be valid until its expiry date - it is not invalidated by the car subsequently failing a second MOT within the 12 month term of the original.

Where the driver would be breaking the law is where the car is unroadworthy. If the driver of this car was stopped they could not possibly be found guilty of not having a valid MOT - but they could be hauled up for having an unroadworthy car.

This could be discovered at a spot check - or it could be flagged up when the Police check a vehicle and see that whilst it does have an MOT - the record also shows that it now has faults that make it unroadworthy - as flagged up by a recent MOT the car failed.

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steve-45 · 9th November 2015, 21:06

But as the police mostly work from their ANPR system, if the computer still shows it as having a current MOT them the ANPR system in the police vehicle will ignore it.

marinabrian · 9th November 2015, 21:32

I'm sorry but that is child's play compared with what I saw this evening

Well not my 75 at least, but some shocking bodgery revealed, along with some dastardly cover ups

How about an ultra low mileage one owner car, presented for it's first MOT, passed after changing a couple of of the original 11 year old tyres.

Bought from ebay, and described as...........

RARE RARE MODEL 1.8 ENGINE WITH TOP SPEC METALLIC RED -BLACK LEATHER PIPED IN GREY WITH GREY TRIM AND WALNUT FASCIA STEERING WHEEL ETC ALLOYS .-THIS CAR COULD TURN INTO AN APPRECIATING ASSET GIVEN THE MILEAGE OF SIX THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED -COST APPROX £24000.00 .SUPERB LOOKING CAR- LOOKS BETTER THAN ALL THE JAGUARS
CAR HAS NEVER BEEN HAD AN MOT YET AND STILL HAS ORIGINAL BLUE REGISTRATION BOOK.
WILL BE SOLD WITH NEW MOT NEW REGISTRATION DOCS UNLESS BUYER WANTS TO STORE AWAY AS INVESTMENT.

And what was in store for the unsuspecting new owner........

....Well how about badly repaired major accident damage, including but not limited to the offside front, both front seat belt pretensioners and driver's airbag had been fired, and crash data in not only the SRS DCU, but the ABS ECU something I've never seen before

Hopefully my report will go someway in persuading the vendor (dealer) to refund the unfortunate buyer, but a fresh MOT from not a small outfit either, was no guarantee of a roadworthy vehicle in this case.

The instrument pack had been opened up and the SRS warning lamp removed, and judging by the standard of repairs, which were poor, especially to the driver's side A pillar, not to mention the bent chassis leg, it pays to take someone knowledgeable along if parting with a large sum of cash, and not to simply rely upon having an HPI check done

There can be no doubt that the vendor of this car was aware of it's previous history, given it was a one owner car

Brian

9th November 2015, 19:11	#13
freck Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDT Connie Tourer Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Preston Posts: 1,051 Thanks: 142 Thanked 274 Times in 226 Posts	From the DVLA website: Driving a vehicle that’s failed You must not drive the vehicle on the road if it fails the test, even if the MOT hasn’t run out, except to: have the failed defects fixed a pre-arranged MOT test appointment As shown in kc13661's post __________________ Steve Teamwork makes the dream work! Mods planned - Cruise retrofit - Done, ZT front bumper - Done, 160 remap - Done...and probably one or two more This vehicle was the 15,751st 75 Tourer to run off the production line, out of 27,407 This vehicle was the 3,726th 75 Tourer CDT Connoisseur to be made out of 4,100 This vehicle was the 732nd 75 Tourer in Starlight Silver (code: MBB) to be made out of 4,100 Starlight Silver 75 Tourers

9th November 2015, 20:25	#14
kc13661 I really should get out more....... Freelander Td4 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Gateshead Posts: 2,332 Thanks: 704 Thanked 909 Times in 419 Posts	21/10/2015 Fail Mileage 67562 miles Refusal Notices Offside front track rod end ball joint has excessive play (2.2.b.1f) Drivers airbag obviously defective (5.4.1) Nearside front headlamp not working on dipped beam (1.7.5a) Advisory Notices Front brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (3.5.1i) Rear brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (3.5.1i) Rear exhaust box rusty __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Growing old is compulsory.... Growing up is Optional Last edited by kc13661; 9th November 2015 at 20:31..

9th November 2015, 20:34	#16
kc13661 I really should get out more....... Freelander Td4 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Gateshead Posts: 2,332 Thanks: 704 Thanked 909 Times in 419 Posts	https://totalcarcheck.co.uk/FreeCheck?regv=VO05GAA MOT History __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Growing old is compulsory.... Growing up is Optional

9th November 2015, 20:40	#17
FrazzleTC This is my second home Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Staffordshire Moorlands Posts: 7,924 Thanks: 533 Thanked 1,178 Times in 920 Posts	Looks like really quite a poor car. The paint looks dreadful in the close-ups, but, I've seen worse. Depends on your plans for it! __________________ 1967 Rover 2000 Automatic 1969 Rover 3500 Series One 1979 Scimitar GTE 2013 Mercedes SLK250 CDI

9th November 2015, 19:02	#12
steve-45 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon CDTi Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Belvedere Posts: 4,076 Thanks: 108 Thanked 1,089 Times in 774 Posts	I can see both sides of the argument here, but why do they advertise you can present for a test up-to 1 month early if a failure results in you being off the road?

9th November 2015, 21:00	#18
Darcydog This is my second home Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 5,428 Thanks: 3,123 Thanked 3,170 Times in 2,096 Posts	I think there is confusion over what is a valid MOT and what is a roadworthy car. It is my understanding that the original MOT is still valid and would be valid until its expiry date - it is not invalidated by the car subsequently failing a second MOT within the 12 month term of the original. Where the driver would be breaking the law is where the car is unroadworthy. If the driver of this car was stopped they could not possibly be found guilty of not having a valid MOT - but they could be hauled up for having an unroadworthy car. This could be discovered at a spot check - or it could be flagged up when the Police check a vehicle and see that whilst it does have an MOT - the record also shows that it now has faults that make it unroadworthy - as flagged up by a recent MOT the car failed. .

9th November 2015, 21:06	#19
steve-45 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon CDTi Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Belvedere Posts: 4,076 Thanks: 108 Thanked 1,089 Times in 774 Posts	But as the police mostly work from their ANPR system, if the computer still shows it as having a current MOT them the ANPR system in the police vehicle will ignore it.

9th November 2015, 21:32	#20
marinabrian MG ZT Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 20,151 Thanks: 3,565 Thanked 10,837 Times in 5,718 Posts	I'm sorry but that is child's play compared with what I saw this evening Well not my 75 at least, but some shocking bodgery revealed, along with some dastardly cover ups How about an ultra low mileage one owner car, presented for it's first MOT, passed after changing a couple of of the original 11 year old tyres. Bought from ebay, and described as........... RARE RARE MODEL 1.8 ENGINE WITH TOP SPEC METALLIC RED -BLACK LEATHER PIPED IN GREY WITH GREY TRIM AND WALNUT FASCIA STEERING WHEEL ETC ALLOYS .-THIS CAR COULD TURN INTO AN APPRECIATING ASSET GIVEN THE MILEAGE OF SIX THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED -COST APPROX £24000.00 .SUPERB LOOKING CAR- LOOKS BETTER THAN ALL THE JAGUARS CAR HAS NEVER BEEN HAD AN MOT YET AND STILL HAS ORIGINAL BLUE REGISTRATION BOOK. WILL BE SOLD WITH NEW MOT NEW REGISTRATION DOCS UNLESS BUYER WANTS TO STORE AWAY AS INVESTMENT. And what was in store for the unsuspecting new owner........ ....Well how about badly repaired major accident damage, including but not limited to the offside front, both front seat belt pretensioners and driver's airbag had been fired, and crash data in not only the SRS DCU, but the ABS ECU something I've never seen before Hopefully my report will go someway in persuading the vendor (dealer) to refund the unfortunate buyer, but a fresh MOT from not a small outfit either, was no guarantee of a roadworthy vehicle in this case. The instrument pack had been opened up and the SRS warning lamp removed, and judging by the standard of repairs, which were poor, especially to the driver's side A pillar, not to mention the bent chassis leg, it pays to take someone knowledgeable along if parting with a large sum of cash, and not to simply rely upon having an HPI check done There can be no doubt that the vendor of this car was aware of it's previous history, given it was a one owner car Brian