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Old 17th June 2022, 14:05   #61
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As UK has just as much interest in the outcome of any such referendum, there is good reason to enable the rest of UK to take part in any Scottish referendum. After all, Scotland was enabled in the EU Leave vote. Seems equitable to me.

Given there is no small amount of antipathy towards Ms Sturgeon, and only she, the outcome could be Scotland-Stay and The Rest of UK -Leave. Of course that would lead to huge unrest. I can hear it now: Miscount!, Miscount!
Presumably 6 years ago you were calling for the whole of the EU to be allowed to vote on Brexit?



I absolutely agree with mbev's sentiment, but it's already too late - the issue is already deeply divisive and will become worse. Brexit has been a perfect dress rehearsal for what is to come: those backing the status quo will complacently assume they will win and run an entirely inept campaign, then at the last minute realize they are heading for defeat and start making threats which will alienate many of the undecided. Meanwhile those pushing for change will come out with all sorts of unachievable fantasies about how good life will be outside, blame all the country's ills on the larger entity which they want to escape, and ignore the numerous valid questions about the practicalities of how it will (or, rather, won't) work. Given the perceived betrayal of No voters on the EU issue and general discontent with issues which are wrongly attributed to the Union, the Yes camp will attract much greater support this time and romp home to victory - which will be the cue for years (decades?) of acrimony and wrangling over all the resulting issues which no one wanted to discuss properly before the vote because the results would have been unpalatable.
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Old 17th June 2022, 14:10   #62
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Presumably 6 years ago you were calling for the whole of the EU to be allowed to vote on Brexit?



I absolutely agree with mbev's sentiment, but it's already too late - the issue is already deeply divisive and will become worse. Brexit has been a perfect dress rehearsal for what is to come: those backing the status quo will complacently assume they will win and run an entirely inept campaign, then at the last minute realize they are heading for defeat and start making threats which will alienate many of the undecided. Meanwhile those pushing for change will come out with all sorts of unachievable fantasies about how good life will be outside, blame all the country's ills on the larger entity which they want to escape, and ignore the numerous valid questions about the practicalities of how it will (or, rather, won't) work. Given the perceived betrayal of No voters on the EU issue and general discontent with issues which are wrongly attributed to the Union, the Yes camp will attract much greater support this time and romp home to victory - which will be the cue for years (decades?) of acrimony and wrangling over all the resulting issues which no one wanted to discuss properly before the vote because the results would have been unpalatable.
Any guesses which way you voted on Brexit???
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Old 17th June 2022, 14:32   #63
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Any guesses which way you voted on Brexit???
Brexit vote is now long passed, i voted remain and im proud of it. I haven't yet seen anything good come out of it but its now in the past, we have to now move on.
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I haven't yet seen anything good come out of it but its now in the past, we have to now move on.
Just taking a recent example the Covid vacinne development and roll out would not have happened so quickly and effectively if we had been in the EU. In fact Macron was running it down by saying it was ineffective for over 65s.
Boris embarrassed the EU with his reaction to Ukraine which forced them to do something positive.
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Old 17th June 2022, 14:52   #65
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Wonder how long it would be ,if scotland were to reach independence status, that the lady Nicola , would be inclined to ask for a referendum for a scottish monarchy . I think perhaps she has always fancied this in her dreams of dreams. Of course her bonny prince husband would have to be involved. im sure that this dynamic duo would be the answer to all things bad about the english rule. keeping the scots down...
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Old 17th June 2022, 15:19   #66
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Presumably 6 years ago you were calling for the whole of the EU to be allowed to vote on Brexit?



I absolutely agree with mbev's sentiment, but it's already too late - the issue is already deeply divisive and will become worse. Brexit has been a perfect dress rehearsal for what is to come: those backing the status quo will complacently assume they will win and run an entirely inept campaign, then at the last minute realize they are heading for defeat and start making threats which will alienate many of the undecided. Meanwhile those pushing for change will come out with all sorts of unachievable fantasies about how good life will be outside, blame all the country's ills on the larger entity which they want to escape, and ignore the numerous valid questions about the practicalities of how it will (or, rather, won't) work. Given the perceived betrayal of No voters on the EU issue and general discontent with issues which are wrongly attributed to the Union, the Yes camp will attract much greater support this time and romp home to victory - which will be the cue for years (decades?) of acrimony and wrangling over all the resulting issues which no one wanted to discuss properly before the vote because the results would have been unpalatable.
The SNP have already been promising how fantastic independence will be and blaming Westminster for all the problems, past, present and future affecting Scotland and rUK. They are playing the media card a treat and there's nothing anyone can do to stop them.

For those on faceache I suggest having a read of the SNP's page, some of the comments are concerning.
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Wonder how long it would be ,if scotland were to reach independence status, that the lady Nicola , would be inclined to ask for a referendum for a scottish monarchy . I think perhaps she has always fancied this in her dreams of dreams. Of course her bonny prince husband would have to be involved. im sure that this dynamic duo would be the answer to all things bad about the english rule. keeping the scots down...
What a thought

But think of the savings we could make by not paying for the House of Windsor
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Old 17th June 2022, 19:17   #68
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But think of the savings we could make by not paying for the House of Windsor
Yeah, pay for the house of Salmond instead.
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Presumably 6 years ago you were calling for the whole of the EU to be allowed to vote on Brexit?
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Please excuse the snip, the rest of the post was effectively a proxy anti B... rant and there have been enough of those over the last six years! Some will never accept the 'voice of the people' yet still profess to know better.
You presume quite wrongly! My posts of that time are still available on here!

Anyway, the EU collectively and in accordance with their rules voted en masse and did everything they possibly could, by a variety of dodgy means, to sink that particular ship with all hands!

That was possibly the biggest referendum there has ever been considering the numbers involved, together with the EU's visceral hatred on show. Not for the people in the UK, rather the brass neck of the UK trying to determine its own future - arrived at by yet another referendum that was decisive. To quote the EU as a comparator and to sneer at earlier events is neither relevant nor helpful!

On point:
What affects Scotland has much the same effect on rUK in this cause. Why would we want to leave the outcome, that affects us all, to a tiny minority of what is in reality an untrustworthy cabal of opportunistic zealots in search of a perceived immortality? Patriotism is a proud flag in a modern age but, certainly in this case, a false one.
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Yeah, pay for the house of Salmond instead.
What!!! Is Princes Salmon going under
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