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Old 17th June 2022, 17:38   #91
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Old 17th June 2022, 19:58   #92
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I’ve thought for some years that the long suffering population are nothing other than a source of income for business.

All that matters is that the public purse grows to meet with the expenditure required for ensuring our rulers continue to live in the style to which they are accustomed. In other words, we pay and they play.

The very recent massive jump in the cost of everything is merely a reset until the next one, with the current blame being stitched onto Covid. Can’t wait for the next con job. Not that I’m a cynic of course.
This is so spot on the war unkraine has nothing to do with fuel prices... its all a con and all the big governments are in on it along with the green agenda.... and those thinking of electric/battery cars forget it power cuts coming weeks at a time in the autumn ......DIESEL is freedom and mileages.....go where you want whilst you have a tank, battery cars only as good as the next one charge..........if you can charge to get back?? at least with diesel you know youll get back with great MPG
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imho :

1) as 95% of delivery lorries are diesel, diesel will be around for a long time, as there is no practical alternative.
2) in order to control delivery costs and hence inflation, i suspect the government will try to limit diesel prices.
Petrol drivers will be pushed to electric and hybrids.
3) fuel prices will go higher, until the ukraine war ends (probably) sometime next year. Unless russia collapses first.
4) road taxes will really start to rise for those older cars with higher emissions.
agreed diesel is king!
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Old 17th June 2022, 20:54   #94
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Prices seem comparable with the continent:

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/travel/a...ces-in-europe/
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agreed diesel is king!
Driving along the massive A30 upgrade scheme today from Chiverton Cross to Carland Cross. Every earth moving and construction machine I saw ( must be several hundred ) had a diesel engine. The only way that scheme could be electric would be with the installation of an SMR at the beginning of the project.
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With the raising fuel prices is enough too make anyone want too cry over two quid here now in North Wales.

Plus my coupe will only run on E5 fuel and that's pretty beeping expensive
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Thank you Ray. (Wraymond) for this.

The very recent massive jump in the cost of everything is merely a reset until the next one, with the current blame being stitched onto Covid. Can’t wait for the next con job.

Indeed th "The great reset" as begun, and th sheep will not grumble and except there lot.
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This is so spot on the war unkraine has nothing to do with fuel prices... its all a con and all the big governments are in on it along with the green agenda.... and those thinking of electric/battery cars forget it power cuts coming weeks at a time in the autumn ......DIESEL is freedom and mileages.....go where you want whilst you have a tank, battery cars only as good as the next one charge..........if you can charge to get back?? at least with diesel you know youll get back with great MPG
What absolute nonsense, what makes you think we're in for power cuts lasting "weeks at a time in the autumn"?

Electric cars do have problems but a fear of mythical power cuts is not one of them. Fact is in the last 2 years mainly down to costs we've done about 4000 miles in ICE cars compared to 27,000 in the EV and not once have we been left without power. I'd have exactly the same problem if I let my diesel car run out of fuel as I would in the EV however the EV costs around £1.50 for 150 miles compared to about £48 in the diesel for the same distance so is much easier to live with at the moment.
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This is so spot on the war unkraine has nothing to do with fuel prices... its all a con and all the big governments are in on it along with the green agenda.... and those thinking of electric/battery cars forget it power cuts coming weeks at a time in the autumn ......DIESEL is freedom and mileages.....go where you want whilst you have a tank, battery cars only as good as the next one charge..........if you can charge to get back?? at least with diesel you know youll get back with great MPG

There is more than enough capacity on the National Grid for years to come.
This from the chief honcho himself CEO of the National Grid Graeme Cooper.


"Enough capacity exists​


With the first of these, the energy element, the most demand for electricity we’ve had in recent years in the UK was for 62GW in 2002. Since then, due to improved energy efficiency such as the installation of solar panels, the nation’s peak demand has fallen by roughly 16 per cent. Even if the impossible happened and we all switched to EVs overnight, we think demand would only increase by around 10 per cent. So we’d still be using less power as a nation than we did in 2002 and this is well within the range of manageable load fluctuation."
This statement was made before the worlds biggest offshore wind farm at Dogger Bank off the east coast of the UK comes online in 2026.
https://doggerbank.com/


Diesel will have it's own set of problems in the coming years (2025) as per the UK Gov's 'Decarbonisation of the UK's road transport plan' https://www.gov.uk/government/public...onisation-plan


As for lorry manufacturers they're going to be in a world of hurt come 2025 because for the first time HGV's will be included in the fleet emission standards, The powers that be have already tested several makes of HGV & found them way off their emission targets to the point that they've changed the criteria for testing HGV's from "closed door lab tests" to actual everyday on road testing for emissions.


They're barely better than the old Euro 6 standard being 12% off the companies stated emissions.


The new Euro Cat 7 standards will be announced next month. Even though all new ICE vehicles will be banned by 2030 they still want to reduce vehicle pollution to the lowest feasible level in 2025. https://www.transportenvironment.org...civil-society/


Come 2025 all HGV's will have to have 15% less emissions than they have today + the 12% they're already behind will need a miracle. They'll need to have 30% less emissions in 2030

Construction vehicles are also to be included for the first time in the new revised Euro 7 emissions in 2025.


The financial penalties are huge for going over the allotted emission limits. It cost the car manufacturers €billions for failing their fleet emission limits in 2020, Tesla alone made €2.2billion from Stellantis (Then FCA) for selling them emission credits.



"Financial penalties in case of non-compliance with the HGV CO2 targets. The level of the penalties is set to 4,250 euro per gCO2/tkm in 2025 and 6,800 euro per gCO2/tkm in 2030."
https://ec.europa.eu/clima/eu-action...ty-vehicles_en


Quite a few truck manufacturers are on the ball making electric lorries to lessen the financial blow come 2025, DAF, Volvo, Scania & Renault.


They're now rolling out Megawatt charging for HGV's with a Scania unit gulping down over 1 megawatt of juice


The new connector can handle up to 3,000 A at up to 1,250 V to charge heavy-duty vehicles quickly.

https://insideevs.com/news/592360/me...em-mcs-launch/
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Old 19th June 2022, 07:25   #100
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There is more than enough capacity on the National Grid for years to come.
This from the chief honcho himself CEO of the National Grid Graeme Cooper.


"Enough capacity exists​


With the first of these, the energy element, the most demand for electricity we’ve had in recent years in the UK was for 62GW in 2002. Since then, due to improved energy efficiency such as the installation of solar panels, the nation’s peak demand has fallen by roughly 16 per cent. Even if the impossible happened and we all switched to EVs overnight, we think demand would only increase by around 10 per cent. So we’d still be using less power as a nation than we did in 2002 and this is well within the range of manageable load fluctuation."
This statement was made before the worlds biggest offshore wind farm at Dogger Bank off the east coast of the UK comes online in 2026.
https://doggerbank.com/


Diesel will have it's own set of problems in the coming years (2025) as per the UK Gov's 'Decarbonisation of the UK's road transport plan' https://www.gov.uk/government/public...onisation-plan


As for lorry manufacturers they're going to be in a world of hurt come 2025 because for the first time HGV's will be included in the fleet emission standards, The powers that be have already tested several makes of HGV & found them way off their emission targets to the point that they've changed the criteria for testing HGV's from "closed door lab tests" to actual everyday on road testing for emissions.


They're barely better than the old Euro 6 standard being 12% off the companies stated emissions.


The new Euro Cat 7 standards will be announced next month. Even though all new ICE vehicles will be banned by 2030 they still want to reduce vehicle pollution to the lowest feasible level in 2025. https://www.transportenvironment.org...civil-society/


Come 2025 all HGV's will have to have 15% less emissions than they have today + the 12% they're already behind will need a miracle. They'll need to have 30% less emissions in 2030

Construction vehicles are also to be included for the first time in the new revised Euro 7 emissions in 2025.


The financial penalties are huge for going over the allotted emission limits. It cost the car manufacturers €billions for failing their fleet emission limits in 2020, Tesla alone made €2.2billion from Stellantis (Then FCA) for selling them emission credits.



"Financial penalties in case of non-compliance with the HGV CO2 targets. The level of the penalties is set to 4,250 euro per gCO2/tkm in 2025 and 6,800 euro per gCO2/tkm in 2030."
https://ec.europa.eu/clima/eu-action...ty-vehicles_en


Quite a few truck manufacturers are on the ball making electric lorries to lessen the financial blow come 2025, DAF, Volvo, Scania & Renault.


They're now rolling out Megawatt charging for HGV's with a Scania unit gulping down over 1 megawatt of juice


The new connector can handle up to 3,000 A at up to 1,250 V to charge heavy-duty vehicles quickly.

https://insideevs.com/news/592360/me...em-mcs-launch/

Solar panels overnight. Mmm interesting.

It's not only generation and transmission though, it's also the distribution network that has to be considered. Some of the stuff in the ground has been in there since, well forever. Old, small and already used to its capacity sticking yet more on isn't going to be so easy.

But we'll see. If the "powers" that be tell it's OK then it must be.
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