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There goes the idea of 4-5 year voting frequency for a government!
Trump would have liked that particular quote.
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All these things have not only a national consequence but an international consequence as well. To consider a divisive referendum every 4/5 years is an unhelpful impulse if you at all want to consider all the implications. It is the opposite of Government (with the necessary capital G) stability.
The cloak of so-called Independence in this case is illusory, if every time there is a change in governmental separate entities there is also an automatic right to renege on earlier commitments. Renegades come and go, what matters is stability of purpose. National pride in the unity of purpose is an essential asset, not the instability of a minority (in the sense of a real national vote) either in the primary entity or the wider consideration of perceived nationalist idealism. Who would trade with a prospective partner that gains fewer votes (in terms of a total electorate) when that in itself implies ‘minority’ unless, of course, domination is covert? Subjugation is looming. Where’s the pride in that ignominious surrender to a really huge international alleged 'partner'?
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Trouble is the SNP has a vision of the future of Scotland and it ain't very realistic!
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So really the UK government has to find a way to convince the Scottish people that remaining in the UK is the best possible outcome.
I wonder if they, or anyone else for that matter, can put forward a positive case to remain which dose not revolve around saying how terrible things will be if we leave. I hope so but I have my doubts. I've not seen anything yet |
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To be honest that looks like the picture that is painted for staying in the UK
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The problem with talk about stability is that unless the people have the opportunity to determine whether they wish to stay or leave, the situation invariably ends up in the sort of stability we have experienced in a few places around the world. The East of Ukraine is a recent example that comes to mind.
Stable marriages usually only occur when both parties feel that they can go their separate ways if either party so chooses. Human nature being what it is, I suspect the Scots are more likely to want to stay within the union if they feel that they can exercise the vote to leave as and when they choose.
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