E10 fuel. Federation of British Historical Vehicle Clubs statement

[Dorset Bob]

Originally Posted by bl52krz

I reckon some bright spark will come up with some additive that will negate the effects of ethanol. Any bets?

I think that you are quite correct.
In the meantime this is probably the best option.
http://www.ethanil.co.uk/
However, I suggest that no-one should smoke when operating this kit.

[coolguy]

Originally Posted by bl52krz

I reckon some bright spark will come up with some additive that will negate the effects of ethanol. Any bets?

There already is, and has been for over 3 years. Unfortunately I cannot remember its name and have been unable to contact my friends who advised me of its existence. I will let you know in due course.

[torque2me]

Originally Posted by coolguy

There already is, and has been for over 3 years. Unfortunately I cannot remember its name and have been unable to contact my friends who advised me of its existence. I will let you know in due course.

Yeah, the one I read about was for vehicles not being used in the medium to long term. However, I think draining the tank (with all the hassle involved) would probably be a better bet!

Kev

[Mike2000]

Originally Posted by coolguy

There already is, and has been for over 3 years. Unfortunately I cannot remember its name and have been unable to contact my friends who advised me of its existence. I will let you know in due course.

Millers EPS is promoted as a fuel additive to protect against the effect of ethanol on classic cars
https://www.millersoils.co.uk/products/eps/

[torque2me]

Originally Posted by Dorset Bob

It is due to the pipework structure that delivers fuel from the refinery at Fawley.
Esso own the largest privately owned underground pipework network, in the UK, that deliver fuel to terminals, such as Avonmouth (Bristol), Erdington (Birmingham), Purfleet (Essex)and Stanwell (near Heathrow in Middlesex).
Sadly, their infrastructure does not include areas such as Devon, Cornwall, North Wales, North England and Scotland and they are serviced by their 3rd party terminal suppliers.

As far as I am aware, no fuel is supplied from any refinery, that contains ethanol, due to it's highly corrosive properties on such pipework, and other substrates that has contact with it.

Correcto Mundi! It, and any other aromatics, are added to the stock fuel in the tanker.

Kev

[Robson Rover Repair]

Originally Posted by Mike2000

Millers EPS is promoted as a fuel additive to protect against the effect of ethanol on classic cars
https://www.millersoils.co.uk/products/eps/

Yep, 250ml bottle does 50 litres at £7 each.

Or in real world terms 65 litres a full tank making 1.3 bottles or 325ml meaning £9.10 for every tank of fuel.

So basically a tenner a tank. That's one hell of a kick in the balls for the average owner.

I dread to imagine those dailying a petrol 75 or zt what that would do to their annual fuel bill but in my head quickly at 30mpg over 10000 miles yhat's close to 31 bottles a year or £217 just on additive.

[itcaptainslow]

Originally Posted by Colin_NI

Yep, 250ml bottle does 50 litres at £7 each.

Or in real world terms 65 litres a full tank making 1.3 bottles or 325ml meaning £9.10 for every tank of fuel.

So basically a tenner a tank. That's one hell of a kick in the balls for the average owner.

I dread to imagine those dailying a petrol 75 or zt what that would do to their annual fuel bill but in my head quickly at 30mpg over 10000 miles yhat's close to 31 bottles a year or £217 just on additive.

I'd say such an additive is more designed for when a vehicle is laid up for a length of time, rather than regular use. I use such an additive in my cars and motorbikes when they come off the road for winter.

Anyone using a vehicle that is not E10 compatible regularly is surely better just using the protection grade fuel-apart from anything the more people that buy it, the better, as when the review comes in five years time I've no doubt the popularity of it will be looked at.

[Dorchester2]

I don't understand really all that fuss about E10.
On the other side of the Channel, E10 is now the more common version for every vehicle less than 30 years old and E5 is barely accessible now (apart from 98).
As E85 is free of taxes like in Sweden several years ago, lots of people are either mixing with E10 or even without any mix.

My three Rovers - 1999 75 V6 2.5, 2002 25 1.4 & 1994 214i cabby - are now fuelled only with E85.
The 25 1.4 with an authorized official kit since 2017 and both others without, just with 2 resistors to help E85 to be tolerated by the original ECU, the 75 since 2017 as well & the cabby since 2019.

The 25 has done nearly 30k mls, the 75 20k mls & the cabby 3k mls: no problem at all, no loss of coolant, no hose damaged, and the engine is working fine and I should say better with more oomph, more responsive & slightly better torque in the low revs. Mind that E85 is octane 105.

Even the 25 head was taken off to have a look and every gasket changed (a notorious problem which existed previously, before being fuelled with ethanol): my good mechanic gave me evidence with lots of pictures that the engine was clean, neat and for example that spark plugs were of the best colour (creamy beige), hoses as supple as new and that everything was sound and in good order after 3 years of exclusive E85.

Besides I can read and hear about the same nonsense about ethanol here in France because many people are fearful and believe all the silly legends they are told by lots of mechanics or dealers who are repeating what they are told and don't know a jot about what they're talking about because they haven't the faintest experience...

Mind that I'm talking about all the cars with indirect injection since the beginning of the 90s. Indeed E85 will be damaging in carburettors before the 90s and possibly in lots of recent direct injection engines. But for our 75 & ZT from 1998 to 2005 ethanol will be a no brainer.

And I know personally lots of mates who are using E85 since 5, 6 and even 10 years without any misadventure. Hence with E10 only in your tank it'll be a doddle.

But everybody on his own as they say...

[Lancpudn]

I've been reading about Germany's Porsche backed Synthetic petrol project in south America, It looks OK on paper until you get to the price of it
https://evcentral.com.au/synthetic-p...uel-ambitions/



"The other issue is cost. All the energy needed to create an e-fuel ensures it will be expensive. Even assuming that there’s room for improvement in e-fuel production processes in the future they’re going to be a costly way to get from A to B. Projections for the price of e-fuel in 2030, using middle of the road assumptions on the pace of technical progress, are in the $4.50 to $6.00 per litre range."

[hogweed]

Originally Posted by SD1too

I know what you mean Steve and it's strange that the term is actually hygroscopic. Just for the record!

Simon

Comes from the Greek ὑγρός (pronounced “hugros”, meaning wet or moist)



Guess where I'm (still) hoping to go for a holiday this year