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Old 20th February 2020, 22:22   #1
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The petrol station in my village (On the A6) closed about 2 years ago, so I was delighted to see today an application to rebuild and re-open it. There will be a larger shop (so likely to be a major oil supplier) a reconfiguration of the pumps and new tanks in a different position, yet there is definitely NO provision for any electric charging points. Flabbergasted, but it gives me hope that petrol/diesel will continue to be available for many more years!
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Old 20th February 2020, 22:31   #2
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Worse case if the government's plans do go through as planned we have another 13 year before the last ICE powered vehicle is sold in the UK and those vehicles together with all the other 30 odd million will still be on the road for another 10 or more years so this new business should be ok for a while.

Personally I reckon this proposal will get delayed as the deadline gets closer.
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Old 20th February 2020, 22:33   #3
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The "over-night" conversion from petrol / diesel vehicles that keep getting rammed down our throats at the moment is not possible ( thank goodness ).
So at the moment, fuel stations are and will be needed for a good few years.

So it still makes economic sense for fuel stations to open and re-open.

No matter how many people scream about the environmental crisis we are in at the moment, the only way will be a gradual way.
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Old 21st February 2020, 07:43   #4
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Does any petrol station with limited space want an electric car sitting on it's forecourt for 1 hour, while it gets recharged ?
Forecourt space has to earn money, and it's difficult to see how to make money from a parked vehicle.
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Old 21st February 2020, 08:22   #5
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Does any petrol station with limited space want an electric car sitting on it's forecourt for 1 hour, while it gets recharged ?

Forecourt space has to earn money, and it's difficult to see how to make money from a parked vehicle.


Maybe they see it as a captive audience for the Costa, subway, greggs or wherever they will wait while the car is charging?
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Old 21st February 2020, 11:28   #6
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Fuel-retail chains are visiting Norway to look how they have gone about changing from petrol/diesel to EV charging and ponder the future when petrol stations decline. Shell & BP have been buying up EV charging networks of late as have the French energy giant EDF who have just bought Podpoint's 60000+ charging network.


Energy companies & our national grid will be the new "filling stations" as they will make more money out of EV cars than selling petrol/diesel for pennies.

https://electrek.co/2020/02/17/fuel-...ns-dont-exist/
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Old 21st February 2020, 12:39   #7
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Maybe they see it as a captive audience for the Costa, subway, greggs or wherever they will wait while the car is charging?
I went into an Esso station in Bradford yesterday and it had a Starbucks on site and the first charger I have ever seen in a petrol station, so you may well have something there Andy.
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Old 22nd February 2020, 00:32   #8
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Maybe they see it as a captive audience for the Costa, subway, greggs or wherever they will wait while the car is charging?
A service area local to me has a Costa and a Greggs- it also has a 30 minute camera enforced parking limit.
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I reckon in the future with personal conveyances (will they really still be called cars? lol) battery packs will become smaller as they are developed, with greater range (for its size). They will also be standardised. They will become standardised due to pressure from both governments and the (current) oil companies, who will push for this. Fuel has been standardised for about a hundred years now. They will become plug in devices, where you either slide your dead battery out then slide the charged one in. The dead one will then go on to be charged and be ready for the next customer. This may even become automated, but for the beginning it will be manually done, perhaps with service attendants. Again like fuel was. They say history repeats itself...........

To me, that scenario would be the only way electric cars could become 'mainstream' without becoming a huge burden on the national grid. Charging stations could hold hundreds (maybe more) batteries, continually recharging and rotating, meaning no fuel deliveries. They could also have some kind of storage system for electricity like capacitors or something? But it would mean the loading on the grid could be controlled and monitored/predicted, also there would be minimal need for a massive investment in infrastructure.

The batteries and their compartments would need to be legislated against modification, maintaining the standardisation of the batteries and reducing the risk of failures. There will be failures of course as batteries wear out (in a fashion) but these would be limited to a car or two rather than a whole host of cars (as with dirty fuel). Sportier versions or modified cars could perhaps have two batteries instead of one (á la early XJ twin tanks?). Cars perhaps could have some form of capacitor system as a reserve supply, filled perhaps with a kind of energy recovery system like F1 cars have (F1 used to help develop road car tech. in the past)

Batteries can become smaller, and more powerful (think mobile phones, in fact think electric cars over past 20 years!).

I dont think batteries are the best way forward with environmentally friendlier vehicles, but it seems the way manufacturers and govts. are going. But that will be an issue for future generations when the raw materials for batteries and power stations run out, and the cycle begins again! lol
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Most people with electric cars will never use a charging station.
They just plug into their own charger every night. Unless they travel 200 miles or more each day they won't need charging stations at all.
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