Caroline Flack takes her own life! - Page 2

SD1too · 16th February 2020, 09:29

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Originally Posted by SideValve

Sadly papers ... make good money spreading nastiness.

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Originally Posted by RPWC

Hounded by the press ...

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Originally Posted by LeRich

I understand she has been hounded on social media and our scum press since the allegations around her violence against her boyfriend ...

Her agent has severely criticised the Crown Prosecution Service for pursuing a "show trial" when her boyfriend, whom she allegedly attacked, did not support the action. That appears to be a very sound argument.
(Source: BBC News website today.)

Simon

markypicks · 16th February 2020, 10:19

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Originally Posted by BoroRover

Very, very sad she was driven to take her own life. Her passing is the 3rd suicide of those who have appeared on Love Island.
Perhaps these type of " shows", should be looked at ? One loss is too much.
It doesn't seem to happen elsewhere. Those who crave fame pay a huge price.

correct bororover they cancelled jeremy kyle's show and they was only on suicide rgds mark

coolguy · 16th February 2020, 11:00

Reality shows and social media have a lot to answer for, but you neither have to watch nor read. I don't do either.

wraymond · 16th February 2020, 12:09

Nor me. Never seen any of them going right back to the first. Always thought they were exploitative, not unlike Roman antics in the Coliseum.

I’m more concerned with the mental fragility in some people who think fame and fortune by any means are some kind of salvation. This stampede of baring your soul, amongst other things, for the delectation of captive passive armchair critics is scary.

The torment in the minds of unsuccessful participants in what is seen as show-business amounts to a conspiracy of voyeurism by producers. The tragedy is the damage to otherwise happy people with so much to offer without succumbing to false ideals.

There must have been extreme desperation in this lovely girl’s heart to do such a thing. Maybe her legacy will be a dose of reality, the real kind.

planenut · 16th February 2020, 21:07

Very sad for her, her family and friends.

Some people are put on pedestals by the trash media available these days and thrust into situations where they cannot cope, nor have the help they would benefit from; other real stars have suffered similarly.

As to the CPS situation, when given circumstances where evidence appears to prove a case, they have to present it to the Courts, and it is the Judiciary who decide the outcome.

SD1too · 17th February 2020, 08:15

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Originally Posted by planenut

As to the CPS situation, when given circumstances where evidence appears to prove a case, they have to present it to the Courts ...

The phrase which we often hear in this respect Fred is "a realistic prospect of conviction". Now, how can that be true when the principal, and possibly only, witness for the prosecution doesn't want it?

Would the CPS step in with a heavy hand in an identical case which didn't involve a celebrity?

Simon

wraymond · 17th February 2020, 08:42

As with many government departments the CPS will be in a position of having to take action if a crime appears to be committed. They risk public ridicule if they are not seen to be proactive in cases of public interest. That of course has a bad effect on institutional empire-building. The last and unlamented boss of the CPS is a case in point. Ultra-aware of current wokeness.

mileshawk56 · 17th February 2020, 13:42

My knowledge of the criminal law is very limited but I thought the offence is against society in general and the individual in particular and the prosecution cannot be waived by the person offended against? If that is not the case then I will be able to give a few people who have upset in my life a good beating and then frighten them so much they withdraw their statements etc. Maybe I wont bother though. As to the lady I don't know of her but its a great shame. Chris.S.

wraymond · 17th February 2020, 14:09

I am pleased and grateful for advice received further to my post 18, that the laid down criteria for CPS decisions of this nature have been described by a former CPS prosecutor, Nazir Aftzal, saying:

‘Victimless' prosecutions (evidence based prosecutions as they are actually known) are pursued in the public interest if a 'victim' does not or cannot support the case.

Last year there were 750,000 reports of domestic abuse to police [and] only 75,000 were prosecuted and 75% convicted.

There were 120+ domestic homicides, each of these were obviously prosecuted without victims' evidence. (victim deceased)

Mr Afzal adds: "It's to avoid the latter that prosecutors pursue the former. But only when they are allegations of serious violence and there is other strong evidence available such as 999 call recordings, police body worn camera, statements and interview.
Sometimes you need to protect someone even when they can't see it themselves.

To my untutored mind that seems reasonable and in the public’s interest.

mileshawk56 · 18th February 2020, 19:11

Im glad Mr Afzal agrees with my understanding of the law. "Things can only get better" Chris S.

16th February 2020, 12:09	#14
wraymond This is my second home 75 Auto 2.5 SE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westcliff on Sea Posts: 5,185 Thanks: 423 Thanked 1,680 Times in 1,014 Posts	Nor me. Never seen any of them going right back to the first. Always thought they were exploitative, not unlike Roman antics in the Coliseum. I’m more concerned with the mental fragility in some people who think fame and fortune by any means are some kind of salvation. This stampede of baring your soul, amongst other things, for the delectation of captive passive armchair critics is scary. The torment in the minds of unsuccessful participants in what is seen as show-business amounts to a conspiracy of voyeurism by producers. The tragedy is the damage to otherwise happy people with so much to offer without succumbing to false ideals. There must have been extreme desperation in this lovely girl’s heart to do such a thing. Maybe her legacy will be a dose of reality, the real kind. __________________ member no. 235

17th February 2020, 08:42	#17
wraymond This is my second home 75 Auto 2.5 SE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westcliff on Sea Posts: 5,185 Thanks: 423 Thanked 1,680 Times in 1,014 Posts	As with many government departments the CPS will be in a position of having to take action if a crime appears to be committed. They risk public ridicule if they are not seen to be proactive in cases of public interest. That of course has a bad effect on institutional empire-building. The last and unlamented boss of the CPS is a case in point. Ultra-aware of current wokeness. __________________ member no. 235

17th February 2020, 14:09	#19
wraymond This is my second home 75 Auto 2.5 SE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westcliff on Sea Posts: 5,185 Thanks: 423 Thanked 1,680 Times in 1,014 Posts	I am pleased and grateful for advice received further to my post 18, that the laid down criteria for CPS decisions of this nature have been described by a former CPS prosecutor, Nazir Aftzal, saying: ‘Victimless' prosecutions (evidence based prosecutions as they are actually known) are pursued in the public interest if a 'victim' does not or cannot support the case. Last year there were 750,000 reports of domestic abuse to police [and] only 75,000 were prosecuted and 75% convicted. There were 120+ domestic homicides, each of these were obviously prosecuted without victims' evidence. (victim deceased) Mr Afzal adds: "It's to avoid the latter that prosecutors pursue the former. But only when they are allegations of serious violence and there is other strong evidence available such as 999 call recordings, police body worn camera, statements and interview. Sometimes you need to protect someone even when they can't see it themselves. To my untutored mind that seems reasonable and in the public’s interest. __________________ member no. 235

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planenut Regional Secretary Rover 1.8T Tourer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Heathrow Posts: 6,948 Thanks: 1,551 Thanked 2,036 Times in 1,264 Posts	Very sad for her, her family and friends. Some people are put on pedestals by the trash media available these days and thrust into situations where they cannot cope, nor have the help they would benefit from; other real stars have suffered similarly. As to the CPS situation, when given circumstances where evidence appears to prove a case, they have to present it to the Courts, and it is the Judiciary who decide the outcome.

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mileshawk56 Posted a thing or two MGZT Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Berkshire Posts: 1,281 Thanks: 1,738 Thanked 299 Times in 216 Posts	My knowledge of the criminal law is very limited but I thought the offence is against society in general and the individual in particular and the prosecution cannot be waived by the person offended against? If that is not the case then I will be able to give a few people who have upset in my life a good beating and then frighten them so much they withdraw their statements etc. Maybe I wont bother though. As to the lady I don't know of her but its a great shame. Chris.S.

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mileshawk56 Posted a thing or two MGZT Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Berkshire Posts: 1,281 Thanks: 1,738 Thanked 299 Times in 216 Posts	Im glad Mr Afzal agrees with my understanding of the law. "Things can only get better" Chris S.