classic car status

Olde faithful · 4th February 2020, 10:16

I am aware that the Rover 75 is not a classic car yet as too many are in daily service albeit smaller numbers, but far too many currently.

however with the Government on about it again!!!!!! BS, BS, BS

Petrol/Diesel to be banned from 2040, is it worth keeping a classic car? with no fuel to run them on?? remember 4 star!!!! after around 6 years no one sold it and yet it was on every forecourt upto around 1996.

The classic car scene could be destroyed in this ban after ban!!! also the after market companies and dealers etc etc most of these scientists could not tell you the right time, let alone predict the future of earth!!
I have always had the thought if the carbon in the earth originally then you cant add whats already there, as its there!! one pint in one pint bottle is that exactly, you cant put in more than whats there kind of thing!

also the PPM is not high enough yet if it will ever get that high, i do have a sneaky feeling its more than what we are being told and climate is the cover story!!! anyway back to the classic car scene will there be one after 2040? its just 20 years soon be here look at the year 2000.

Sdeh · 4th February 2020, 10:40

You can never ban classics or anything combustion for that matter as you can run it on other sources I'm not really that scared for classics but what worries me is future classics that you can still pick up for pennies as there the cars at risk

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coolguy · 4th February 2020, 10:47

The Government has promised that Classics will be catered for - in other words they will not ban the sale of petrol or diesel, but will any stations stock it? however, whilst it has been announced today that no petrol or diesel cars will be sold after 2035 (previously 2040), given their lifespan, that still means plentiful supplies for a further 10 years, i.e 2045, so we should be safe.

Regarding classic status, there are plenty of Show organisers who now let in 15 year old vehicles, and in some cases 10. Marque shows like Roverfest have no limits, and there are plenty of more modern cars at places like the NEC, although they are mostly exotic.

Do not fear!

bl52krz · 4th February 2020, 11:51

Although I will not be around to see the end of petrol and diesel cars/transport, unless I live to be around 110 years, I think it has got very little to do with ‘climate change’ ,more to do with money revenues. Governments and greedy people have to come up with scams to make more money. That’s my take on ‘climate change ‘.

Mike Trident · 4th February 2020, 13:01

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Originally Posted by bl52krz

Although I will not be around to see the end of petrol and diesel cars/transport, unless I live to be around 110 years, I think it has got very little to do with ‘climate change’ ,more to do with money revenues. Governments and greedy people have to come up with scams to make more money. That’s my take on ‘climate change ‘.

I agree totally!

I do think though, driving any vehicle with a ICE will be a no no. The stigma attached to them will prevent it , you will be come a villain. Probably getting eggs thrown at you, getting your tyres let down etc etc. Lynch mobs lol

RobSun · 4th February 2020, 10:47

Today the reports are that all new petrol and diesel powered cars will be banned from 2035, including hybrids which is miffing the manufacturers. This so far does not include a ban on fuelled cars usage after that date or the stopping of the sale of fuel. However of course fuel retailers by then could be hard to find as it is expected that EV sales will rise rapidly over the next few years and fuelled vehicle sales could have ended due to demand much earlier, some speculating by 2030.

Would this mean the end of classic cars? Possibly, I posted a while ago that the CEO of Highways England had said by 2035 we would not be driving our classics. Although not a member of government I am sure he will have a pretty good idea what the government wants to see happen.

I think that the classic car industry is quite a big section and that there will be a supply of fuel to keep historic vehicles going. The government today has the rolling MOT exemption rules and free historic vehicle tax for vehicles manufactured over 40 years ago so they do have a record of supporting owners like myself. By then though to me it may not matter as I could be to old to drive safely or no longer here. What may put off the usage of a classic is the possible stigma of polluting the air the population of tomorrow breaths.

grivas · 4th February 2020, 13:10

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Originally Posted by RobSun

Today the reports are that all new petrol and diesel powered cars will be banned from 2035, including hybrids which is miffing the manufacturers. This so far does not include a ban on fuelled cars usage after that date or the stopping of the sale of fuel. However of course fuel retailers by then could be hard to find as it is expected that EV sales will rise rapidly over the next few years and fuelled vehicle sales could have ended due to demand much earlier, some speculating by 2030.

Would this mean the end of classic cars? Possibly, I posted a while ago that the CEO of Highways England had said by 2035 we would not be driving our classics. Although not a member of government I am sure he will have a pretty good idea what the government wants to see happen.

I think that the classic car industry is quite a big section and that there will be a supply of fuel to keep historic vehicles going. The government today has the rolling MOT exemption rules and free historic vehicle tax for vehicles manufactured over 40 years ago so they do have a record of supporting owners like myself. By then though to me it may not matter as I could be to old to drive safely or no longer here. What may put off the usage of a classic is the possible stigma of polluting the air the population of tomorrow breaths.

The question is how are we going to power all these new EVs you can't feed them carrots they need electricity, how is this going to be generated, what fuel are we going to use?, Choose from Nuclear, oil, coal, none is ideal and all defeate the original object. Maybe we will have discovered how to achieve fusion at room temperature by then (pigs might fly.....) who can predict.

BoroRover · 4th February 2020, 14:13

It crossed my mind that if so many thousands of charging points, in so many thousands of places, millions of miles of cabling will need to be laid, big enough to service the huge requirements.
Just about every road of any significance is going to have to be dug up to lay the cables.
There's going to be a lorra, lorra traffic queues in a lorra, lorra places, for a lorra, lorra, years I reckon.

Stuff of nightmares.

roverbarmy · 4th February 2020, 14:25

When the electricity grid gets overloaded (which it will, based on observations currently, which run close to the wire when the weather turns cold) the country will grind to a halt!

Dallas · 4th February 2020, 15:19

The VED system will need a complete overhaul before the banning of petrol and diesel vehicles. I can see a new VED taxation being phased in over the next 10 years, it will be interesting to see how its done.

4th February 2020, 10:16	#1
Olde faithful Loves to post ROVER 75 TOURER Join Date: May 2017 Location: BIRMINGHAM GB Posts: 355 Thanks: 27 Thanked 268 Times in 102 Posts	classic car status I am aware that the Rover 75 is not a classic car yet as too many are in daily service albeit smaller numbers, but far too many currently. however with the Government on about it again!!!!!! BS, BS, BS Petrol/Diesel to be banned from 2040, is it worth keeping a classic car? with no fuel to run them on?? remember 4 star!!!! after around 6 years no one sold it and yet it was on every forecourt upto around 1996. The classic car scene could be destroyed in this ban after ban!!! also the after market companies and dealers etc etc most of these scientists could not tell you the right time, let alone predict the future of earth!! I have always had the thought if the carbon in the earth originally then you cant add whats already there, as its there!! one pint in one pint bottle is that exactly, you cant put in more than whats there kind of thing! also the PPM is not high enough yet if it will ever get that high, i do have a sneaky feeling its more than what we are being told and climate is the cover story!!! anyway back to the classic car scene will there be one after 2040? its just 20 years soon be here look at the year 2000.

4th February 2020, 10:40	#2
Sdeh Avid contributor Manual Rover 75 S Reg, Rover 75 Auto, Rover SD1 2300S, Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Otley Posts: 232 Thanks: 52 Thanked 87 Times in 39 Posts	You can never ban classics or anything combustion for that matter as you can run it on other sources I'm not really that scared for classics but what worries me is future classics that you can still pick up for pennies as there the cars at risk Sent from my DUA-L22 using Tapatalk __________________ 4th January 1999 Owner of the only Pre Production Diesel 75 Thomas

4th February 2020, 11:51	#4
bl52krz This is my second home Rover 75 cdt club + Rover 2.5 KV6 Conni SE Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 11,394 Thanks: 6,587 Thanked 2,262 Times in 1,729 Posts	Although I will not be around to see the end of petrol and diesel cars/transport, unless I live to be around 110 years, I think it has got very little to do with ‘climate change’ ,more to do with money revenues. Governments and greedy people have to come up with scams to make more money. That’s my take on ‘climate change ‘. __________________ Great Barr, Birmingham.

4th February 2020, 14:25	#9
roverbarmy This is my second home Roverless + 1.7D Sportage Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: East Norfolk Posts: 7,050 Thanks: 729 Thanked 2,021 Times in 1,449 Posts	When the electricity grid gets overloaded (which it will, based on observations currently, which run close to the wire when the weather turns cold) the country will grind to a halt! __________________ Oil in my veins!

4th February 2020, 10:47	#3
coolguy Coolguy Rover 75 CDT Tourer Auto, Rover 75 2.0 Connoisseur Auto, MG ZT 2.5 Auto and MG ZT Cdti Auto (Monogra Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Finedon Posts: 1,897 Thanks: 933 Thanked 638 Times in 430 Posts	The Government has promised that Classics will be catered for - in other words they will not ban the sale of petrol or diesel, but will any stations stock it? however, whilst it has been announced today that no petrol or diesel cars will be sold after 2035 (previously 2040), given their lifespan, that still means plentiful supplies for a further 10 years, i.e 2045, so we should be safe. Regarding classic status, there are plenty of Show organisers who now let in 15 year old vehicles, and in some cases 10. Marque shows like Roverfest have no limits, and there are plenty of more modern cars at places like the NEC, although they are mostly exotic. Do not fear!

4th February 2020, 10:47	#6
RobSun Gets stuck in MGZTT Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Bradford Posts: 529 Thanks: 148 Thanked 256 Times in 138 Posts	Today the reports are that all new petrol and diesel powered cars will be banned from 2035, including hybrids which is miffing the manufacturers. This so far does not include a ban on fuelled cars usage after that date or the stopping of the sale of fuel. However of course fuel retailers by then could be hard to find as it is expected that EV sales will rise rapidly over the next few years and fuelled vehicle sales could have ended due to demand much earlier, some speculating by 2030. Would this mean the end of classic cars? Possibly, I posted a while ago that the CEO of Highways England had said by 2035 we would not be driving our classics. Although not a member of government I am sure he will have a pretty good idea what the government wants to see happen. I think that the classic car industry is quite a big section and that there will be a supply of fuel to keep historic vehicles going. The government today has the rolling MOT exemption rules and free historic vehicle tax for vehicles manufactured over 40 years ago so they do have a record of supporting owners like myself. By then though to me it may not matter as I could be to old to drive safely or no longer here. What may put off the usage of a classic is the possible stigma of polluting the air the population of tomorrow breaths.

4th February 2020, 14:13	#8
BoroRover Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Middlesbrough Posts: 1,518 Thanks: 1,861 Thanked 723 Times in 471 Posts	It crossed my mind that if so many thousands of charging points, in so many thousands of places, millions of miles of cabling will need to be laid, big enough to service the huge requirements. Just about every road of any significance is going to have to be dug up to lay the cables. There's going to be a lorra, lorra traffic queues in a lorra, lorra places, for a lorra, lorra, years I reckon. Stuff of nightmares.

4th February 2020, 15:19	#10
Dallas This is my second home 1979 Capri 1.6L, 1982 Capri 1.6L, 2016 Dacia Stepway Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dorset Posts: 8,595 Thanks: 3,496 Thanked 3,397 Times in 2,218 Posts	The VED system will need a complete overhaul before the banning of petrol and diesel vehicles. I can see a new VED taxation being phased in over the next 10 years, it will be interesting to see how its done.