can clutch wear so as to empty master

macafee2 · 22nd April 2018, 14:28

can the clutch on a diesel wear to such an extent the master cylinder empties of fluid??

I'm assuming my slave has had it, as it wont go into gear with engine running and bit point is near the floor. However ,I have been reading a few things on here about the clutch wearing.

I was looking for a How To Bleed the clutch so clean fluid is in the system when I change the slave

lets go to the garage and try to find the bleed nipple

macafee2

andy willi · 22nd April 2018, 18:17

first no

second bleed nipple top of box between air box and battery box , 8 mm and 13 mm spanners required

andy

Mike Noc · 22nd April 2018, 18:46

It's the other way round Ian - as the clutch plate wears the fingers on the diaphragm push the slave cylinder further back, which will raise the fluid level in the master cylinder.

macafee2 · 22nd April 2018, 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy willi

first no

second bleed nipple top of box between air box and battery box , 8 mm and 13 mm spanners required

andy

thanks found it. cant say filling the master is going to be easy. I will probably remove the drivers seat to give me more room.
Saw a post that made a good point, bleed clutch system before fitting a new slave so only new clean fluid is in system

macafee2

Dorset Bob · 22nd April 2018, 21:01

I would get a Gunson Eezibleed kit, which makes the job so much easier.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_f...bleed&_sacat=0

Worth every penny!

bl52krz · 22nd April 2018, 22:37

Hi Ian. No need to remove the seat. Undo the two plastic screw type screws that hold the cover below the steering wheel to the top part of the facia.Undo the nacelle round the steering column and remove top part. You can now see the master cylinder quite easy. I have a little yogurt pot that I fill with brake fluid and you can easily fill the master pot up.

macafee2 · 23rd April 2018, 06:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by bl52krz

Hi Ian. No need to remove the seat. Undo the two plastic screw type screws that hold the cover below the steering wheel to the top part of the facia.Undo the nacelle round the steering column and remove top part. You can now see the master cylinder quite easy. I have a little yogurt pot that I fill with brake fluid and you can easily fill the master pot up.

I don't like working in cramped spaces, I'll give it a go as you say without removing the seat but I've already loosened the torx bolts holding the seat, so removing is no problem. Even with the seat removed and trim removed it is cramped under the dash. I'm of a mind to get a spare cap for the reservoir and attach a tube to it with a funnel on the end. I can fill it from a better more comfortable area.

I have an eazebleed I'll check if this will fit

macafee2

drunken_prozac · 23rd April 2018, 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by macafee2

I don't like working in cramped spaces, I'll give it a go as you say without removing the seat but I've already loosened the torx bolts holding the seat, so removing is no problem. Even with the seat removed and trim removed it is cramped under the dash. I'm of a mind to get a spare cap for the reservoir and attach a tube to it with a funnel on the end. I can fill it from a better more comfortable area.

I have an eazebleed I'll check if this will fit

macafee2

I recently bought an ezibleed kit and worked fine, the first time I've bled anything on my own and was a doddle.

It is cramped but when my previous clutch was messing around I bought a mini oil can with a rubber piped nozzle from the cheap shop and left this filled with dot4, just in case

If you biting point is near the floor then the fluid is going somewhere, I've had many clutch issues over the year and more recently, the past few weeks. If the slave is leaking you will possibly see oil coming out the bottom of the bell housing. My leak was actaully on the pressure coupler where my local garage had broken the oring. This can just about be felt with a bendy arm for leaks, the coupler is between the battery tray and the engine, the bleed nipple is visible with the air intake removed.

Still haven't worked out how to post images but here is a photo of my coupler, hope you can kind of work out where it is...
https://imgur.com/C4c645r

roverbarmy · 23rd April 2018, 11:12

A large syringe from the chemist and some tube on the end is good for filling or emptying the MC.

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bl52krz This is my second home Rover 75 cdt club + Rover 2.5 KV6 Conni SE Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 11,394 Thanks: 6,587 Thanked 2,262 Times in 1,729 Posts	Hi Ian. No need to remove the seat. Undo the two plastic screw type screws that hold the cover below the steering wheel to the top part of the facia.Undo the nacelle round the steering column and remove top part. You can now see the master cylinder quite easy. I have a little yogurt pot that I fill with brake fluid and you can easily fill the master pot up. __________________ Great Barr, Birmingham.

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Mike Noc This is my second home Rover 75 CDT Manual Connoisseur SE, Rover 75 CDT Automatic Connoisseur SE & a Freelander Td4. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hampshire Posts: 11,550 Thanks: 3,470 Thanked 3,119 Times in 2,247 Posts	It's the other way round Ian - as the clutch plate wears the fingers on the diaphragm push the slave cylinder further back, which will raise the fluid level in the master cylinder.