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Old 13th March 2021, 15:27   #41
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Question 8, I tried to answer as "other" and stated "only original hard shoulder addresses issue of emergency vehicle access".

Couldn't find the button for "other", so had to submit less than 100 mtrs.

Any one else have this issue please?
Yes, and it nearly put me off completing the survey because I could not say what I wanted to do. The comments section never makes the stats in these surveys, so was it designed that way?
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Old 13th March 2021, 17:38   #42
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Totally playing Devil's advocate here.

I've been in a similar position and I'm sure there's a vast number of others who have as well.

Did you have enough distance to STOP in the distance you could see to be clear in your own lane?

But let me guess.... the lorry didn't move out when it was "safe" distance away which would have given you possibly 3 times the distance you needed (lorry weight + speed is going to need much more STOPPING distance).

And I absolutely know what it's like to break down and crawl to a refuge area. Been there, done that, got the underpants to show for it.

I keep harping on about space not speed. And, in general, we know the group of drivers that don't keep their distance - they're mentioned above.

I'd happily see a massive campaign of targeting "tailgating" lorries on the Motorway network with big incentives to change their behaviours. Perhaps the thought of being pulled off the motorway for a multi agency check of the vehicle, the load, the driver etc. etc. might be enough?

Glad that your skills kept you safe and you weren't involved in any sort of collision.

Take care out there.
all it takes is a lorry or large vehicle which blocks your view of the traffic ahead to move out of the 1st lane into the 2nd to avoid a stranded vehicle too late. Even if you're following the lorry at a safe distance with adequate braking distance between yourself and the lorry, if the lorry moves over too late by the time it's trailer is out of the way of your view you're now right up behind the stranded vehicle, the stopping distance by that point would be too short, and add on reaction time you may end up too close to even avoid the stranded vehicle by changing lanes. Can happen to anyone, no one expects to see a stranded vehicle in a live lane of a motorway when the rest of the traffic is flowing at 70mph.

Not only would such situation be life changing for the stranded vehicle if the occupants are still in it, I feel for the driver who collides into the stranded vehicle. In a split second whilst driving perfectly safely you could end up in a situation where you've seriously injured someone or even killed someone, and your own fate could be the same. And if you survive the collision, you'd most likely be faced with a conviction for dangerous driving (as there's never such thing as a accident anymore, someone always has to be convicted) and even a prison sentence if someone is killed.

You don't have to be a bad or dangerous driver for this to happen to you, wrong place wrong time or a split second looking at your mirrors or focusing on one of the other cars around you and this can happen.
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Old 13th March 2021, 18:41   #43
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Thanks folks.

All completely sensible and valid.

It's why I headed it Totally playing Devil's advocate here.

Take care - it's scary out there .

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Old 13th March 2021, 20:57   #44
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It's as you say Rik.--If you are traveling at 70 mph and you glance down for 1/2 a second to check if you are speeding you will have travelled almost 100 feet in that time.---

Actually hitting a stationary vehicle at half that speed ( 35 mph. ) will often totally write off both vehicles.--
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Old 13th March 2021, 21:23   #45
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completed the survey then tried to copy and paste the link and url to another forum and cant as the survey says you have already taken it

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Old 13th March 2021, 21:31   #46
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Totally playing Devil's advocate here.

I've been in a similar position and I'm sure there's a vast number of others who have as well.

Did you have enough distance to STOP in the distance you could see to be clear in your own lane?

But let me guess.... the lorry didn't move out when it was "safe" distance away which would have given you possibly 3 times the distance you needed (lorry weight + speed is going to need much more STOPPING distance).

And I absolutely know what it's like to break down and crawl to a refuge area. Been there, done that, got the underpants to show for it.

I keep harping on about space not speed. And, in general, we know the group of drivers that don't keep their distance - they're mentioned above.

I'd happily see a massive campaign of targeting "tailgating" lorries on the Motorway network with big incentives to change their behaviours. Perhaps the thought of being pulled off the motorway for a multi agency check of the vehicle, the load, the driver etc. etc. might be enough?

Glad that your skills kept you safe and you weren't involved in any sort of collision.

Take care out there.
large vehicle overtakes and pulls in front but not leaving a 2 second gap or any view, they see the broken down vehicle and move to lane 2 but the following vehicle is even closer then the one in front, they may not be able to stop or swerve and through perhaps through no fault of their own pile into the stationary vehicle. I have posted before a link to a crash that I am sure has this scenario.

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Old 13th March 2021, 23:37   #47
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completed the survey then tried to copy and paste the link and url to another forum and cant as the survey says you have already taken it

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Open it up in another browser or clear the cookies.

Thanks for wanting to share this on another forum.
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Old 14th March 2021, 07:44   #48
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clever so and so, used a different browser and it worked so link no on another forum

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Not sure if it is the M42 but a smart motorway I use is a pain in the butt.
Hard shoulder open as a lane so I use it, then it becomes the exit for the next junction so I need to change lane. After the junction I'm back to using the hard shoulder only for it to become the exit for the next junction.

Should I lane hog and stick to the proper lane 1? Worse when towing the caravan

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Old 14th March 2021, 12:26   #50
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Not sure if it is the M42 but a smart motorway I use is a pain in the butt.
Hard shoulder open as a lane so I use it, then it becomes the exit for the next junction so I need to change lane. After the junction I'm back to using the hard shoulder only for it to become the exit for the next junction.

Should I lane hog and stick to the proper lane 1? Worse when towing the caravan

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Cameras on every bridge, so I wouldn't lane hog! Yes it is the M42 - only ever used it to attend the Pride of Longbridge, and I don't like it!
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