Conflicting battery information

[Fifer]

Last week my 75 2.0 V6 wouldn't start, just the "click click" on turning the ignition key. At first I thought that it was the starter as the lights came on and the fans worked. On checking the battery it only showed a reading of 10V, so all the short trips with lights, fans, heaters, and everything else on had run the battery down. It didn't really come as a surprise, as when I visited Doopydug's, Ben did say at the time that he thought the battery was on the way out.

It didn't take long to bring the battery up to (apparently) full charge again, so rather than mess around I looked for a replacement.

There appeared to be a multitude of batteries available, all different makes, capacities, prices, and dimensions. Finding the right one at a decent price was proving to be a bit of a nightmare.

The battery that was fitted was a Lucas Premium Type LP096 70Ah, with dimensions of L 278mm x W 175mm x H 190mm. On checking the compatibility charts they said that this was incompatible with the V6! This type of battery had been in the car working successfully since I got it, so I got another the same. It dropped straight in, the battery wiring connected without any tightness in the cables, and the battery box lid snapped in place as it should. At £51.50 including carriage I didn't think it was too bad.

Why is there so much conflicting information regarding batteries for these cars?

The bonus is, that I now know that I don't need a code for the radio.

Cheers,
Fifer

[SD1too]

Originally Posted by Fifer

Why is there so much conflicting information regarding batteries for these cars?

I think that it's because it's a hotbed of salesmanship. You only have to read this forum to discover that brand loyalty eclipses technical specification.

Your battery became discharged due to the laws of physics. You took more out of the battery than you replaced. It's as simple as that. It needed re-charging followed by a regular maintenance charge to compensate for your driving pattern.

If you've still got the original battery, buy a C-tek smart maintenance charger (compact and well engineered) which you can leave connected permanently. You'll then have a fully charged battery ready for service on a rotational basis (unless your useage has indeed "killed" it ).

Simon

[spyder]

I just bought a Vata battery. As long as the battery is a 096 the physical size will fit our cars, with the poles in the correct place-from there it is a jumble of info and advertising hype really.

The AH are important, with 74-77 good for the larger engines and diesels. the other point to look out for is the CCA. Again the higher the better for the diesel. they range for 680-780CCA, hoe accurate/true it is, is another story.

Bosh are always going to be better I suppose, but for the money, are they better than the cheaper ones .


This was mine (£67) , time will tell....


Dimensions

12v 77Ah 780CCA

Length (mm) - 278

Width (mm) - 175

Total Height (mm) - 190

Weight (Kg) - 18.3

Terminal Type - Standard Post (A)

Terminal Layout - RH+

[SD1too]

Originally Posted by spyder

As long as the battery is a 096 the physical size will fit our cars ...

Maybe the size of the battery box changed, but an 096 was too tall comfortably to fit my 1999 car, so care is recommended.

Simon

[MangoMan]

Originally Posted by Fifer

Last week my 75 2.0 V6 wouldn't start, just the "click click" on turning the ignition key. At first I thought that it was the starter as the lights came on and the fans worked. On checking the battery it only showed a reading of 10V, so all the short trips with lights, fans, heaters, and everything else on had run the battery down. It didn't really come as a surprise, as when I visited Doopydug's, Ben did say at the time that he thought the battery was on the way out.

It didn't take long to bring the battery up to (apparently) full charge again, so rather than mess around I looked for a replacement.

There appeared to be a multitude of batteries available, all different makes, capacities, prices, and dimensions. Finding the right one at a decent price was proving to be a bit of a nightmare.

The battery that was fitted was a Lucas Premium Type LP096 70Ah, with dimensions of L 278mm x W 175mm x H 190mm. On checking the compatibility charts they said that this was incompatible with the V6! This type of battery had been in the car working successfully since I got it, so I got another the same. It dropped straight in, the battery wiring connected without any tightness in the cables, and the battery box lid snapped in place as it should. At £51.50 including carriage I didn't think it was too bad.

Why is there so much conflicting information regarding batteries for these cars?

The bonus is, that I now know that I don't need a code for the radio.

Cheers,
Fifer

Obviously it's down to personal choice, but I have found the 096 fouls the Battery Lid making the Clips prone to breaking off....

I have the same model car as yours and I fitted one of these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Type-100-C...wAAOSwhkRWd~W7 (As others have).

That was about 3 + years ago now and it's been great.

And I also leave mine standing for long periods with many short trips.

Personally, I don't think you will find better cheaper!

Mine fitted, as you see, a perfect fit!



Good luck!

PS. The same Battery is £20.00 more at ECP...!!!

[Typhoon190]

I agree. The 278mm x 175mm x 190mm makes fitting the battery cover quite awkward.

The battery specs and sizes seem to vary a lot, as the 096 is also available in the 175mm height, which fits much more neatly IMO.

This is what I have fitted, and are available for under £60 delivered from some places.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1x-Exide-P...sAAOSwYHxWNyjO

[Fifer]

Thanks for the replies.

If you've still got the original battery, buy a C-tek smart maintenance charger (compact and well engineered) which you can leave connected permanently.

I do have a small maintenance charger Simon. It is a dual 12V and 6V unit, which is handy for the 6V battery on the Morris. I can only charge the battery when it is out of the car, so it will be good to have a refreshed stand-by battery when needed.

The 096 appears to manufactured in two heights, 175mm and 190mm. It is possible that my battery box is different to others, but it looks like either battery would fit. Even with the red rubber "boot" on the positive terminal of the 190mm high battery the lid closes without forcing it.

With all the different types of batteries on offer it would be great to have a page of batteries that members have fitted to the different models, and their findings with those batteries.

I have the same model car as yours and I fitted one of these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Type-100-C...wAAOSwhkRWd~W7 (As others have).

We have seen the battery fitted to your V6 MangoMan, but once again on checking the compatibility chart, it says that it is not compatible with the model. This is what I find most confusing.

Cheers,
Fifer

[SD1too]

Jim,

I have a type 100 battery in my car, with the battery box lid fitted, so your e-bay information must be incorrect.

I never bother with these consumer guides. Just measure the available space and compare with the quoted battery dimensions. What could be easier?

Originally Posted by Fifer

... it would be great to have a page of batteries that members have fitted to the different models, and their findings with those batteries.

As I hinted earlier Jim, that would be an unreliable indicator because most people choose a battery on branding. What actually makes the difference is the way the battery is treated in service, and that varies enormously. If you choose a battery with the largest ampère hour and CCA rating you can find at a price you wish to pay, there's not a lot more you can do except ensure that it is kept as fully charged as possible all the time.

But I know that you won't be convinced by any of that!

Simon

[murphyv310]

I'm a great believer in using the biggest capacity battery for the available space. One never knows when a big battery could be needed to get you home if the alternator should fail.

[David Lawrence]

Originally Posted by SD1too

Jim,

I have a type 100 battery in my car, with the battery box lid fitted, so your e-bay information must be incorrect.

I never bother with these consumer guides. Just measure the available space and compare with the quoted battery dimensions. What could be easier?

As I hinted earlier Jim, that would be an unreliable indicator because most people choose a battery on branding. What actually makes the difference is the way the battery is treated in service, and that varies enormously. If you choose a battery with the largest ampère hour and CCA rating you can find at a price you wish to pay, there's not a lot more you can do except ensure that it is kept as fully charged as possible all the time.

But I know that you won't be convinced by any of that!

Simon

Does the strap clamp fit with a type 100? Seems the battery would fit over where the bolt should go.