Old car scrappage scheme...

calibrax · 12th April 2009, 21:52

Looks like this is probably going to happen...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7995928.stm

Two thoughts...

1) So the government will guarantee £2,000 for a trade in. Say you were looking at a new £15,000 car. Currently you can go to the dealer and get it for £11,000 - they are desperate to sell cars, so you get a hefty discount. With the scrappage scheme, do you think you'll get it for £9,000? Not a frickin chance! You'll still pay £11,000 minimum. The £4k discount from the dealer will magically reduce to £2k - the net result, that £2,000 from the government will line the pockets of the motor trade. Pure profit.

2) Not that I believe in the whole "green" argument, but it's clear by the way they calculate 'carbon footprints' that it's not "green" to take a well-maintained 10 year old car and replace it with a brand new one. The CO2 output involved in building a brand new car (transportation, refined steel production, plastic moulding, engineering etc. etc.) is massive! Also, most people will trade in for a bigger car with a bigger engine, so CO2 output will generally increase.

StevenWilliams · 12th April 2009, 21:58

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Originally Posted by calibrax

2) Not that I believe in the whole "green" argument, but it's clear by the way they calculate 'carbon footprints' that it's not "green" to take a well-maintained 10 year old car and replace it with a brand new one. The CO2 output involved in building a brand new car (transportation, refined steel production, plastic moulding, engineering etc. etc.) is massive! Also, most people will trade in for a bigger car with a bigger engine, so CO2 output will generally increase.

I'm with you.

For the amount of miles I do it wouldn't matter if I had a V8 or not. My emissions are low.

If I have a lower MPG car then I will only be able to afford to drive it less and thus probably pollute by the same amount so my Carbon footprint is the same either way.

This wouldn't encourage me to trade in my car. But I'm glad it will never be worth less than £2k

Jules · 12th April 2009, 22:11

Totally agree
Went to look at some "modern cars" the other day, just killing time while Mrs Jules shopping for more naff clutter!

Sat in some none descript cockpit and nearly puked at the vile smell of plastic.
Salesman minced over and said

"I'll give you a really good trade in price on that old ZT out there sir"

"No you won't" I said "coz it's not for sale.......... ever"

So no thanks to a modern car.

eddybrown · 13th April 2009, 10:54

I think it's a little late for this scheme when the UK barely produces any cars now most of the money will be going overseas.

The government should be encouraging people to keep and look after their used cars given the amount of energy it takes to build a new one. I may be wrong but I thought more energy is used in manufacturing a new car than the car will use in an average lifetime of use ~7-9 years.

M3NDEREZ · 13th April 2009, 11:06

It's the old Prius argument again.. All these tree hugging uppity self reitchous Prius drivers telling you quite how much they're doing for the environment, when in truth, the damage done during the manufacture and transport of the Prius far outweight the positive impact of the little AA battery in the boot..

I think the British are too much a nation of car lovers to ever fully embrace this kind of offer if it were to come into force.. I mean, seriously.. You want me to swap my big, comfortable, economical fantastic-looking Rover 75 that I own outright for a BRAND NEW Toyota Aygo and a £5K loan.. Wow.. Doesn't get much more appealing than that.

As Steve quite rightly said, give a man a £2K voucher for money off a car, and you give a dealer an excuse to charge him £2K more..

juzza0 · 13th April 2009, 12:02

Totally agree, it'll only help the industry because people will think they are getting a bargain, when in fact the dealer is just back to his old profit margin!

Allegroboi · 13th April 2009, 13:59

The only cars that will be traded for this will be those that have been well maintained and their owners can afford a new car, the old polluting wrecks will still be driven because the owners will not be able to afford to buy a new car whether 2 grand is on offer or not.

False economy and only boosting the motor industry for new cars. What will happen to cars like ours with this kind of scheme, there will be less incentive to produce the parts because there would be less demand, not just our cars though.

I considered not getting my car because of the potential car tax rises, then I thought I am not letting the government dictate to me the kind of car I can an cannot drive and I have always had nice cars and will continue to do so for as long as I can. Secondhand cars in our sector make very good economic sense.

JohnDotCom · 13th April 2009, 19:17

My Brother's Garage will give you more than that on a Trade in now against his screen Prices,
But I bet he will adjust for this new measure,
just you wait and see.

Jules · 13th April 2009, 19:28

John !
Hurry up & read my last PM

JohnDotCom · 13th April 2009, 20:43

Catching up Jules. Been Manic here.
I'll make every effort to be there for Lunch.

12th April 2009, 21:52	#1
calibrax Posted a thing or two BMW 4 Series Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Rochester, Kent Posts: 1,975 Thanks: 29 Thanked 37 Times in 28 Posts	Old car scrappage scheme... Looks like this is probably going to happen... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7995928.stm Two thoughts... 1) So the government will guarantee £2,000 for a trade in. Say you were looking at a new £15,000 car. Currently you can go to the dealer and get it for £11,000 - they are desperate to sell cars, so you get a hefty discount. With the scrappage scheme, do you think you'll get it for £9,000? Not a frickin chance! You'll still pay £11,000 minimum. The £4k discount from the dealer will magically reduce to £2k - the net result, that £2,000 from the government will line the pockets of the motor trade. Pure profit. 2) Not that I believe in the whole "green" argument, but it's clear by the way they calculate 'carbon footprints' that it's not "green" to take a well-maintained 10 year old car and replace it with a brand new one. The CO2 output involved in building a brand new car (transportation, refined steel production, plastic moulding, engineering etc. etc.) is massive! Also, most people will trade in for a bigger car with a bigger engine, so CO2 output will generally increase. __________________ Steve 2004 MG ZT+ CDTi 160 (sadly now gone!) 2015 BMW 435d GranCoupe XDrive Last edited by calibrax; 12th April 2009 at 21:55..

12th April 2009, 22:11	#3
Jules This is my second home ZT 260 SE Twilight and 10 other 75 ZT's :O Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Conwy NORTH WALES Posts: 11,094 Thanks: 512 Thanked 1,116 Times in 763 Posts	Totally agree Went to look at some "modern cars" the other day, just killing time while Mrs Jules shopping for more naff clutter! Sat in some none descript cockpit and nearly puked at the vile smell of plastic. Salesman minced over and said "I'll give you a really good trade in price on that old ZT out there sir" "No you won't" I said "coz it's not for sale.......... ever" So no thanks to a modern car. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Newbies do now!! 1. Plenum drains..all 3 or 4 year dependent 2. Cooling fan..All speeds functioning 3. Bonnet cable divider block

13th April 2009, 10:54	#4
eddybrown Gets stuck in Rover 75 Club CDT & 73' MG Midget Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Peterborough Posts: 543 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I think it's a little late for this scheme when the UK barely produces any cars now most of the money will be going overseas. The government should be encouraging people to keep and look after their used cars given the amount of energy it takes to build a new one. I may be wrong but I thought more energy is used in manufacturing a new car than the car will use in an average lifetime of use ~7-9 years. __________________ http://www.eddybrown.co.uk/images/userbar_ed.png http://www.eddybrown.co.uk/images/userbar_mg.png

13th April 2009, 11:06	#5
M3NDEREZ Posted a thing or two R75 DUB Saloon Connoisseur CDT + Synergy2 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Earlswood, Surrey Posts: 1,344 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's the old Prius argument again.. All these tree hugging uppity self reitchous Prius drivers telling you quite how much they're doing for the environment, when in truth, the damage done during the manufacture and transport of the Prius far outweight the positive impact of the little AA battery in the boot.. I think the British are too much a nation of car lovers to ever fully embrace this kind of offer if it were to come into force.. I mean, seriously.. You want me to swap my big, comfortable, economical fantastic-looking Rover 75 that I own outright for a BRAND NEW Toyota Aygo and a £5K loan.. Wow.. Doesn't get much more appealing than that. As Steve quite rightly said, give a man a £2K voucher for money off a car, and you give a dealer an excuse to charge him £2K more.. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] STILL WANTED: Black Leather & Chrome Auto Gearknob, Diesel Cruise ECU, EGR Bypass.

13th April 2009, 12:02	#6
juzza0 Mmm Monogram MG ZT-T++ & Rover 75 Connoisseur SE (Workhorse) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Nottingham Posts: 948 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Totally agree, it'll only help the industry because people will think they are getting a bargain, when in fact the dealer is just back to his old profit margin! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

13th April 2009, 13:59	#7
Allegroboi Posted a thing or two 2.0 CDTi Tourer Connie SE auto Royal Blue/Dorchester red connie V6 with Aubergine interior Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Farnborough Posts: 1,490 Thanks: 64 Thanked 33 Times in 17 Posts	The only cars that will be traded for this will be those that have been well maintained and their owners can afford a new car, the old polluting wrecks will still be driven because the owners will not be able to afford to buy a new car whether 2 grand is on offer or not. False economy and only boosting the motor industry for new cars. What will happen to cars like ours with this kind of scheme, there will be less incentive to produce the parts because there would be less demand, not just our cars though. I considered not getting my car because of the potential car tax rises, then I thought I am not letting the government dictate to me the kind of car I can an cannot drive and I have always had nice cars and will continue to do so for as long as I can. Secondhand cars in our sector make very good economic sense. __________________ [SIGPIC]http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q...P1010031-1.jpg[/SIGPIC]Two 75's twice the cost, twice the amount of road tax and insurance but most important of all, twice the pleasure. Ian

13th April 2009, 19:17	#8
JohnDotCom * Rover 75 FaceLift Tourer CDTi 170BHP Auto ConnSE 2005 Model Starlight Silver Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Abergele Posts: 28,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	My Brother's Garage will give you more than that on a Trade in now against his screen Prices, But I bet he will adjust for this new measure, just you wait and see.

13th April 2009, 19:28	#9
Jules This is my second home ZT 260 SE Twilight and 10 other 75 ZT's :O Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Conwy NORTH WALES Posts: 11,094 Thanks: 512 Thanked 1,116 Times in 763 Posts	John ! Hurry up & read my last PM __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Newbies do now!! 1. Plenum drains..all 3 or 4 year dependent 2. Cooling fan..All speeds functioning 3. Bonnet cable divider block

13th April 2009, 20:43	#10
JohnDotCom * Rover 75 FaceLift Tourer CDTi 170BHP Auto ConnSE 2005 Model Starlight Silver Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Abergele Posts: 28,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Catching up Jules. Been Manic here. I'll make every effort to be there for Lunch.