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Old 24th September 2019, 09:51   #21
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A lot of what is being said about being the road and classic status, I think needs clarified with 'in our lifetime'.

75 and zts will be a classic in the 'traditional' sense of the automotive term within our lifetime, but attaining vintage status wont be. But then look at vintage cars now. The fuels used are not the same as they were designed to run on. So the handful of vintage 75s and zts in 60 years that survive, will be brought with adaptations to run. And looked upon by a generation who will see a Tesla as being a classic as we see a p5b now. And when we look at those running a 1910 Vauxhall , we think, 'how do they keep that going'. They do though but with effort that only a few are willing to entertain. Do we suggest that they cannot be original to run on the current spec of fuel? No we congratulate them on their efforts. Just as those in the future with adapted for the times, will be congratulated for keeping them going.

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Old 24th September 2019, 11:52   #22
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Of course both the 75 and ZT are classics, they are the last of a design style that we as enthusiasts admire. But a classic is also in the eyes of the beholder. The exotic manufacturers classics are obvious but the lowly ones marks get knocked by reputation. Fords are no better in my experience for reliability rust etc than a Morris or a Triumph but the values of them are polls apart. The 75 will always be dogged by the reputation it has outside the enthusiasts for Rovers and this will hold back values. The Clarkson effect still rubs off today on classic values. A good Dolomite Sprint will be worth £7000 - £13000+ but an Escort 1300 can fetch that and a sporting version 2 to 3 times that making restorations and saving them more viable. Future restoration work will always be considered against actual value as today, and any future costs of conversions to keep them on the road will become cheaper but will it be cost effective for the average owner? Like today probably not, so the survivors will be fewer than we may expect.

As for insurance companies recognising classics, recently I was looking to insure a 75 on a classic policy. Even my current classic insurance company wouldn't accept it, they would at 20 years old but not before. However they will insure a ZT. The badge makes it acceptable, even for a late registration, which we all would find crazy, but that's insurance.
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Old 24th September 2019, 19:57   #23
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Mike I think you're being a bit negative. I am of a mind that a true collector is most definitely not going to want the heart ripped out of his Ferrari etc for an electric motor. The car wouldn't be original any more. It's like a Rembrant with graffitti on. There has always been exemptions for classics and I believe these will continue. More to the point, well for me and how I feel - enjoy what you have now. Don't worry too much about what might or might not happen to cars. We don't even know our own future. Look at my brother. He bought the ZT to enjoy and it outlasted him. He had it about 8 weeks. So enjoy now and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.

I think my car is a classic no matter what others believe, and I am dang well loving having it right now, and will worry later. I certainly won't panic and sell it. I made that mistake when the unleaded furore happened and it was a big mistake.
Sorry if I sound negative, I didn't buy my Rover to make money on it, I love it for what it is. I will try keep it on the road as long as is possible. The important bit there is "on the road" . I enjoy driving my Rover, not looking at it.

Will it ever be a classic? Well in my opinion, sadly no. Why would it? It didn't sell very well when new, so why would people want it now? Classic vehicles are usually vehicles that people wanted when they were new, but could never afford one, or it wouldn't be practical for the young family etc etc. Just off the top of my head, the Audi TT. I wanted one back then, and I would still have one now. I guess a lot of people feel like that, so the car is still in demand. It becomes a classic.

However, the world is becoming a very different place these days, things are not as black and white as they used to be.

An example here is:- as much as I love driving my Rover, if they suddenly decide where I live is inside a low pollution area and they charge me £12.50 every time I take it out of the drive, it would have to go. Sadly it has happened to people on this forum already.

So, I am not being negative, sorry if it sounds that way. It's just my opinion after all.
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Old 25th September 2019, 09:58   #24
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Will it ever be a classic? Well in my opinion, sadly no. Why would it? It didn't sell very well when new, so why would people want it now? Classic vehicles are usually vehicles that people wanted when they were new, but could never afford one, or it wouldn't be practical for the young family etc etc.
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An example here is:- as much as I love driving my Rover, if they suddenly decide where I live is inside a low pollution area and they charge me £12.50 every time I take it out of the drive, it would have to go. Sadly it has happened to people on this forum already.
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I can't agree. Here in France 4cv Renault, 4L Renault & 2cv Citroën for example were never ever desired cars of the wealthy, but the modest ones on the contrary.
Nowadays - even in Practical Classics you may see that - those cars have reached foolish prices! It's not uncommon they fetch up to £10k and the more humble ones are asked for £5k no less, unless it be a heap of rot. I would be rich had I kept both my 2CV once bought & sold for peanuts!

On another hand I'm sorry to say than rarity doesn't mean high prices either. It's surprising but it is. Tomorrow I'm becoming the proud owner of a 1994 214i cabriolet BRG & cream leather. It's very rare here in France but IMHO it will unlikely become a very sought after collector. But I don't care...

About the last point I feel lucky to live in the country but if I were to live inside a low pollution area, I would move rather than sell my Rovers!
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Old 29th September 2019, 09:28   #25
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I can't agree. Here in France 4cv Renault, 4L Renault & 2cv Citroën for example were never ever desired cars of the wealthy, but the modest ones on the contrary.
Nowadays - even in Practical Classics you may see that - those cars have reached foolish prices! It's not uncommon they fetch up to £10k and the more humble ones are asked for £5k no less, unless it be a heap of rot. I would be rich had I kept both my 2CV once bought & sold for peanuts!

On another hand I'm sorry to say than rarity doesn't mean high prices either. It's surprising but it is. Tomorrow I'm becoming the proud owner of a 1994 214i cabriolet BRG & cream leather. It's very rare here in France but IMHO it will unlikely become a very sought after collector. But I don't care...

About the last point I feel lucky to live in the country but if I were to live inside a low pollution area, I would move rather than sell my Rovers!
I have never imagine when i was a kid a SEAT 600 ( fiat 600) could be a classic one and now,,is,asking prices over 6.000 eur, same to 2cv, not to say for a Citroen CX Turbo, you pay same as xj, so the 75 i think could be , yes, but as read here i do not buy it to make money i have buy it from new to enjoy, and want to keep doing as long the car can run decentley, them i will store, i have no intention to sold the 75
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Old 29th September 2019, 14:18   #26
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My 75 has been laid up since 2015, I dont have the heart to sell or scrap it. It needs a bit of work done, and I want to get it back on the road and use it as an occasional car, hoping in the future it will become a classic.

When I think back to all the cars I've had, I wish I had kept a couple, (rover sd1, and saab 900)
I'd love another sd1 in monza red , but have you seen the prices they go for?.

My thinking is, if I keep my 75 then hopefully in a few years, I will be a proud owner of a classic car.
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Old 29th September 2019, 17:25   #27
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A lot of insurance companies would say 20 or 25 years and the government reckons 40 years.

My guess there wont be many around by the time there 40th birthday is here due to either cost of ownership due too regulations or failing electronics and there being no replacements.

Older classics have survived due to the more basic mechanicals and the ability to be kept on the road with a spanner and welding torch. Who on here can repair a circuit board or sensor and keep all the warning lights out that is a requirement for the MOT.

Visiting a scrap yard these days is a sobering sight seeing cars that appear to be in good condition but are there because they have a warning light on that will cost more to fix than the car is worth.
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