What would you do?

[another_clean_sheet]

Originally Posted by Georgies Dad

Its when you get out of your car and into the shop you are most likely to catch it when you interact with others

See my post #32

[RobSun]

Originally Posted by macafee2

sitting on the fence, Derbyshire police have been criticised for fining two women that drove each in their own cars 8 or 9 miles to meet up and go for a walk, socially distancing of course. On another forum the police are being not just criticised but slaughtered for fining the women

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/new...-eight-4870157

macafee2

Now both women have had the fines cancelled. There are no rules on how far you can travel to do exercise, and they were observing social distancing whilst doing so, They have received an apology from Derby-shire Police.

[RobSun]

Originally Posted by RPWC

Doesn’t apply to tory politicians or Barnard Castle, But those two women did break rules by driving out of their local area to go for a walk. Rules stay you may drive to exercise, but it must be in your local area.

They only drove 7 miles and there are no rules on how far you can travel to do exercise. Both women have had the fines cancelled and received apologies from the police.

[Number 6]

Originally Posted by RobSun

They only drove 7 miles and there are no rules on how far you can travel to do exercise. Both women have had the fines cancelled and received apologies from the police.

Should never have been fined in the first place..Utter nonsense on the part of the Police. Ask your self a question, How many arrests did they make when the BLM were running riot?

[Georgies Dad]

Originally Posted by another_clean_sheet

See my post #32

I was referring to the poster of the quote

[stevestrat]

Originally Posted by RobSun

They only drove 7 miles and there are no rules on how far you can travel to do exercise. Both women have had the fines cancelled and received apologies from the police.

When Boris goes seven miles to ride his bike at the Olympic Park can't fine them for going five miles.

[macafee2]

Originally Posted by RobSun

Now both women have had the fines cancelled. There are no rules on how far you can travel to do exercise, and they were observing social distancing whilst doing so, They have received an apology from Derby-shire Police.

on the news 2 cars with people travelled from Coventry to Durdle Door (175 miles?), they have been fined and so there is it seems a limit to how far you can travel or is it just interpretation? Again, grey

macafee2

[Avulon]

Originally Posted by trikey

It annoys me that rules for the elite get overlooked

Really highlights that elitism is alive and well still in good old blighty despite one helluva war in the first half of the last century against just that idea.

Originally Posted by Number 6

And How or what do you Define as "Your Local Area"?

Exactly, it's a complete nonsense.

Originally Posted by Georgies Dad

Common Sense needed,unfortunately a lot of people have not got any

If I use my common sense 'local' is within the radius that I would regularly travel for leisure and private business - Without lockdown that could be 120 miles from home. There is no such thing as 'common' sense, just 'sense'.

Originally Posted by Steamdrivenandy

Not so sure about using local authority boundaries. Half a mile west of us is the boundary with Shropshire and half a mile north west is the boundary with Cheshire. Heading east is Stoke.

Exactly, my nearest member only discount warehouse outlet is the the opposite side of Leeds and another county from me.

Originally Posted by another_clean_sheet

Local Authority boundaries do not come into the equation of keeping to your local area. It is purely distance.

Care to suggest a particular distance?

Originally Posted by LeRich

Common sense would dictate distance, but in the current situation LA boundaries do matter as each area has its own tier restrictions (outside of lockdown), plus they can form a distinction between enforcing authorities, who should be singing from the same hymn sheet, but inevitably don't.

There are currently no tier restrictions the whole of England is under lockdown.

Originally Posted by LeRich

What is 'local' is very subjective, depending on where you are located and how big your world is. Those living in towns needn't travel far to fulfil their basic errands, whereas those more rural or in villages like Madeley often need to travel some miles to do the same.

'how big your world is' - exactly. Seems that some people's worlds don't extend past their nearest post office. I've no problem with that. Mine extends somewhat further.

Originally Posted by another_clean_sheet

We are talking about the situation at the moment and likely to be for the next few months.
Enforcing authorities e.g. police are based generally on county lines rather than LAs

And still do not have any legal standing for acting as county border controllers.

Originally Posted by COLVERT

If you lived out in the country as I do then the minimum distance is, maybe, your NEAREST super-market.
Do all your shopping in one place to help stop the transmission of the virus.
You're hardly likely to spread the virus, even if you have it, whilst you are going shopping in your car.--

I like that you said minimum. Anyway - where is there any legislation telling me which supermarket I must patronise? Nowhere.

Originally Posted by RobSun

Now both women have had the fines cancelled. There are no rules on how far you can travel to do exercise, and they were observing social distancing whilst doing so, They have received an apology from Derby-shire Police.

I'm glad to hear it. The police ought to rein themselves in and stick to law enforcement. not guideline enforcement.





All this constant talk of 'rules' is misleading. There are laws, and their are guidelines. While the latter may help inform application of the former they in themselves aren't enforceable by police: or mandatory for anyone. While I'd hope that people will continue to act bearing the guidelines in mind, I have no expectation of everyone rigidly adhering to them as 'rules'. That would be ridiculous and just plain hasn't happened once since this whole thing began.

[Avulon]

P.S. On the subject of the original post, unless the neighbour's carry on is a nuisance that can't be ignored : ignore it. If it can't be ignored then look into ways of making anonymous non-specific reports - don't make them too detailed and don't, whatever you do, give any indication to your neighbour that it might be you making reports or that you have any interest in their activities at all.

[Steamdrivenandy]

I suspect that the reason a particular distance was not mentioned in the guidelines is that the government ran up against the same issues as we've been debating, how long is a piece of string.
However what they are trying to achieve is to limit leisure mobility in an effort to reduce transmission where suitable areas for exercise are closer at hand. This is not necessary activity, like going to work, collecting prescriptions, getting food, attending a hospital etc. There is no restriction on them, although in the spirit of the times you should limit mileage if possible.
Maybe there should be a mandatory limit of 5 miles, say, and if you're questioned by the police it's up to the officer whether to accept your justification or not. If you feel a fine wasn't warranted then an appeal would be available.
That would probably be acceptable to most people, but there will always be those who won't agree. Johnson and his 7 miles being one of them. Actually to the edge of the park it's nearer 6 miles to No 10.