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Old 5th January 2021, 19:24   #21
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A Marxist teacher who wants to stay at home/go on additional holidays whilst receiving 100% of his public funded salary.

torque2me You are a Foolish bigot.

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Not a bigot, just have more experience than you. I used Marxist just as a one liner as I suspect the majority of teachers vote Labour or Lib-Dem.

Many good people will not have the luxury of continued full pay as furlough and redundancy is much more prevalent and increasing.

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Old 5th January 2021, 19:29   #22
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Kev, the only part of your post that seems to be on the same page as my question is "Private school pupils will be years ahead of state school ones"
I have always thought that the state school teachers I have met due to having children, were always hard working and dedicated.

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I don't mean that, hopefully the majority, are hard working. What I mean is that results (exams etc) are obtained more often and higher graded than the state sector That is from official statistics?

My maths teacher served with the 11th Armd Div and were the first into Belsen.

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Old 5th January 2021, 19:45   #23
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On the same subject, there was a post on facebook a couple of days ago. " Why waste the vaccines on the old, they have one foot in the grave." Hasten to add not my words, he was quickly shouted down. But the sad thing is there are some "people" who think like that.
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Old 5th January 2021, 20:32   #24
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My Daughter is a school teacher, and definitely not a Marxist. As for 100% public funding, i think everyone is payed by the public, whatever you produce is paid for by the public and ends up in your your pocket. And as for private schools, judging by the intelligence of past pupils in our Government, they were not attending to be educated, but for the sole purpose of being in the company of others like themselves, and would be good allies in their future careers.
I'm not on the public purse and the products I produce are sold world-wide.

I'm with you about the present crop of public educated (though I was thinking of a bit lower level such as grammer) Richard Heads. I doubt if 100% of, say, 58,000 people who tested positive have isolated themselves unless on the public purse. Same as those who holidayed abroad and was supposed to quarantine for 14 days. It's just reality common sense!

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Somebody must have been going to Bournemouth. Never heard in any interview I have seen whereby the teaching unions have mentioned the importance of pupils being in the classroom.

o.k. for the binman to croak, after emptying the bin. o.k. for power station worker to keel over as long the green button was pressed etc., etc. There have been some teachers who have continued to work with key worker and disadvantaged children. I don't know if the teachers rotate or not but the issue here, as stated by the unions, is safety. What they choose to ignore is the huge numbers of people who are key and essential workers. I myself work in a facility which we have to work within two meters of each other. So, I have chanced my arm (as have NHS front-line staff) and ignored my own safety and wellbeing for the sake of the many who are sick.

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The list of who should be first in line is never ending, these industries are what keeps the country going, electric, water, gas, telecommunications, food, waste, imports, oil, NHS, police, fire, motor, public transport, haulage/transport are just a few.

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Old 5th January 2021, 21:12   #26
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I don't think teachers should be singled out for praise over any other individual whether employed in the public sector or private, in any profession.

Every single person who has to work at the moment should be considered an equal in terms of "key worker" status, a phrase coined by spin doctors to add gravitas to certain professions quite wrongly.

A hospital cannot function if there are no cleaners, porters, maintenance personnel etc, a school cannot function without caretakers, teachers support staff, or indeed pupils.

If you walk into a supermarket you consider it normal for the shelves to be kept stocked, and staff to be on hand to assist, you expect your lights to come on when you flick a switch, the central heating boiler to work, your dustbin to be emptied when full, the ability to fill up your car if you need to travel to work etc etc.

All of the above need to work, the bus to get you to work if you don't drive, all manner of support going on quietly in the background, not simply the stuff in the foreground and not one of these people, you or I should consider yourself a special case.

However you look at it though there needs to be a balance made, it is simply not possible to mitigate every aspect of risk for every single member of society, and expect others to pick up the bill on our behalf.

We are all part of a much larger machine called society, if any of the parts are missing then the machine doesn't work correctly.

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Old 6th January 2021, 09:22   #27
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The intertwining of people going to the office is the people employed to get them there, public transport, fuel and then there is the shop they pop into on the way. The shop on the station platform cannot relocate and needs that commuter traffic to survive, without the commuter traffic they go to the wall but what of the staff? As businesses fold employment goes up but then another business starts and employment falls but perhaps not to the same degree. "New" businesses, Amazon, Hermes, Grocery home delivery, Costa Coffee.

Unemployment is currently on the rise but it will fall and certain sectors will bounce back very strongly, I think the relaxing of restrictions in 2020 proved that. Alas not every company will be here to bounce back.

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This all makes me think back to my own career and whether and how my own jobs would have fared in these current circumstances.
I suspect my last job as a redeployment consultant would have been ultra busy involving hours of work on Zoom etc and a lot less travel than when I did it.
The wholesale marketing of Christmas trees probably didn't change much, but the management of merchant recruitment for payment card services probably involves furloughing a lot of staff.
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I don't think teachers should be singled out for praise over any other individual whether employed in the public sector or private, in any profession.

Every single person who has to work at the moment should be considered an equal in terms of "key worker" status, a phrase coined by spin doctors to add gravitas to certain professions quite wrongly.

A hospital cannot function if there are no cleaners, porters, maintenance personnel etc, a school cannot function without caretakers, teachers support staff, or indeed pupils.

If you walk into a supermarket you consider it normal for the shelves to be kept stocked, and staff to be on hand to assist, you expect your lights to come on when you flick a switch, the central heating boiler to work, your dustbin to be emptied when full, the ability to fill up your car if you need to travel to work etc etc.

All of the above need to work, the bus to get you to work if you don't drive, all manner of support going on quietly in the background, not simply the stuff in the foreground and not one of these people, you or I should consider yourself a special case.

However you look at it though there needs to be a balance made, it is simply not possible to mitigate every aspect of risk for every single member of society, and expect others to pick up the bill on our behalf.

We are all part of a much larger machine called society, if any of the parts are missing then the machine doesn't work correctly.

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No need for either unnecessary praise or gratuitous abuse of teachers. One thing I will say is that as far as I'm aware, bus drivers, supermarket workers, carers, hospital workers et al aren't required to work in a room together with 30+ other people who are not wearing masks. This is all the more relevant now that a much more infectious strain of the virus is endemic in the population.
If education staff can't be prioritised for receiving the vaccine, other steps should be taken to minimise the risk to their lives and health, e.g. using other venues for delivering classes such as theatres, cinemas and other large indoor spaces currently lying idle, proper resourcing of online education through the provision of laptops and decent broadband connection to every child who needs it. Yes this costs money, but so does failing to provide education. For that matter, so does bunging contracts for PPE or failed test & trace systems to your chums without due diligence, and that seems to be perfectly acceptable.
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It is considerably easier to shield our elderly than attempt to prevent the transmission of the virus via our children, and the ramifications for future generations by our actions presently.

Both my sister and brother and law are employed as teachers, however employed at opposite ends of the scale so to speak.

My sister works in a private prep school for boys in an affluent area of Newcastle, and my brother in law in a state secondary school in a deprived area of North Tyneside.

The differences in the way the two systems operate are quite stark to say the least.

Finally my own experience of education in the olden days of black and white, consisted of quite a bit of corporal punishment, coupled with teachers spending a lot of time in a smokey staffroom and the stink of Banda ink and strike action by teachers, resulting in being taught in the home of one teacher who refused to come out on strike !!

Yes a lot of teachers were at the time ultra left wing, but not all

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The above is what I was trying to point out in a much smaller post.

The elderly could have been shielded (instead of being inoculated first) providing the care home staff were vaccinated. It should have been debated more!

Cor, I wish my teachers took up strike action - being an avid cricket player. Think of the innings I could have completed.

As I have re-stated. I don't believe all teachers are left-wing but their unions certainly are (just as Len McClusky - my union top dog -is and I don't like a lot of what he spouts).

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