Snow Problem for Edinburgh Bus drivers - Page 3

stevestrat · 2nd March 2018, 15:00

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Originally Posted by topman

the bus driver did look to be travelling too fast and was lucky not to have a head on collision.

As pointed out in another thread (by an ex Edinburgh bus driver I might add!) at the point where the incident occurred the bus is climbing a hill with a sharp bend at the start of it so can't build up a lot of speed. If anyone is at fault its the half wit in the Mini who attempted a U turn on a snowy road with a bus approaching.

Jim Jamieson · 2nd March 2018, 15:04

Here we go again, I’m glad you guys were not judging my accident.

I’m sure if the bus company thought their driver was at fault they would have taken the neccesary action. They will viewed all the camera footage from the bus.

Again well done that driver, and I mean the bus driver.

topman · 2nd March 2018, 15:25

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Originally Posted by stevestrat

As pointed out in another thread (by an ex Edinburgh bus driver I might add!) at the point where the incident occurred the bus is climbing a hill with a sharp bend at the start of it so can't build up a lot of speed. If anyone is at fault its the half wit in the Mini who attempted a U turn on a snowy road with a bus approaching.

'Fault' isn't binary. They both played their part in a near accident. Having watched the video the bus was travelling too fast, that's my perception from watching it.

RoverSevenFive · 2nd March 2018, 15:35

The bus was going at a perfectly reasonable speed as proven by the fact that an accident was avoided (by excellent driving) even though an utter NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- drove broadside directly into the path of it.

Number 6 · 2nd March 2018, 15:56

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Originally Posted by philm

Totally agree with you Harry more luck than judgement.

Have to agree with you and Harry,Appeared to be going far to fast for the conditions.

I wonder if there would have been the same response if she had crashed into the car ???

HarryM1BYT · 2nd March 2018, 16:22

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Originally Posted by RoverSevenFive

The bus was going at a perfectly reasonable speed as proven by the fact that an accident was avoided (by excellent driving) even though an utter NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- drove broadside directly into the path of it.

The bus was not in sight, when the car began its manouver, but I agree it was on the face of it, a stupid thing to do.

An accident not happening is no proof of the skill of the driver. Real skill would have been demonstrated by the bus driver reducing her speed, rather than trusting to luck aiming for the gap.

Kevin Williams · 2nd March 2018, 16:25

Just a small point to correct Frebyrd [Brian]. It's a 1979/80 V reg. Alexander bodied Leyland Atlantean. Lovely picture nonetheless!

I must admit something similar happened to me when driving a Leyland Fleetline on a warm summer's evening. You can't anticipate a car going the other way doing something like that, and I had to make a swerve similar to the Lothian bus driver: fortunately with no ill effects. However, I appreciate everyone should be driving with more due care than normal in view of the current weather conditions.

regards

Kevin

KLM · 2nd March 2018, 17:24

To all you guys on here that thought the driver of the car was in order to attempt a 3 point turn on the brow of a hill on an icy main road, please , please don't try any of your manoeuvres in front of me

Kev.

Sheraton · 2nd March 2018, 17:56

the VIDEO is Proof of the driver's skill/judgement/reactions and proof the Driver training gives them the Knowledge to deal with such situations - the same can NOT be said of the Numpty driver and their bad judgement

I'd LOVE to see those who feel the BUS driver at fault and lacking skills deal with losing the Back end of a 12-13 ton Rear Engined Double Decker

AGAIN - DUE TO THE SKILL OF THE DRIVER - THERE WAS NO COLLISION

If any YOU GUYS have made an insurance claim for an accident that was "Not your fault" - I'd have a closer look at your claim if i was the insurance company paying out

Paul.

Andy_with_a_screwdriver · 2nd March 2018, 18:44

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Originally Posted by HarryM1BYT

The bus driver was going far too fast. It was obvious there was a driver in difficulty ahead of him and I assume a car (camera) on the opposite side of the road. Managing to miss both was just luck rather than skill and observation. When you see a problem, you slow down enough to properly assess, before deciding whether to proceed. The bus driver ignored that rule completely and came close to causing a potentially very serious accident. He should be on the carpet, in the managers office.

I agree the bus was going too fast, and pure luck avoided a nasty collision. If the driver of a vehicle can not stop in the distance visible to them they are going to fast. I think I read that somewhere.

Also the bus was almost probably an automatic so it would have had almost no engine braking, unless it was in a pre-selected mode. This explains why she had to brake to slow down rather than use engine braking and the throttle to slow the bus. Had she been going at an appropriate speed or using an engine braking mode then braking would not have been as necessary to slow the bus.

However her reactions to the skid and correcting it were perfect, and perfectly executed.
Having said that, the Mini driver may reflect that it was ill judged to undertake a u-turn on the crest of a hill.

2nd March 2018, 15:04	#22
Jim Jamieson This is my second home Rover less ! Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Tarbolton Posts: 3,442 Thanks: 393 Thanked 888 Times in 542 Posts	Here we go again, I’m glad you guys were not judging my accident. I’m sure if the bus company thought their driver was at fault they would have taken the neccesary action. They will viewed all the camera footage from the bus. Again well done that driver, and I mean the bus driver.

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RoverSevenFive Newbie Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Stirling Posts: 22 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The bus was going at a perfectly reasonable speed as proven by the fact that an accident was avoided (by excellent driving) even though an utter NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- drove broadside directly into the path of it.

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Kevin Williams Loves to post Rover 75 CDT Tourer [116 bhp] in Wedgwood Blue / MG ZT CDTi [131bhp] in Anthracite Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Matlock Posts: 330 Thanks: 106 Thanked 66 Times in 52 Posts	Just a small point to correct Frebyrd [Brian]. It's a 1979/80 V reg. Alexander bodied Leyland Atlantean. Lovely picture nonetheless! I must admit something similar happened to me when driving a Leyland Fleetline on a warm summer's evening. You can't anticipate a car going the other way doing something like that, and I had to make a swerve similar to the Lothian bus driver: fortunately with no ill effects. However, I appreciate everyone should be driving with more due care than normal in view of the current weather conditions. regards Kevin

2nd March 2018, 17:24	#28
KLM Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Club CDT Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: North West Posts: 1,289 Thanks: 691 Thanked 394 Times in 240 Posts	To all you guys on here that thought the driver of the car was in order to attempt a 3 point turn on the brow of a hill on an icy main road, please , please don't try any of your manoeuvres in front of me Kev.

2nd March 2018, 17:56	#29
Sheraton Posted a thing or two Rover 75 1.8t Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,377 Thanks: 384 Thanked 409 Times in 267 Posts	the VIDEO is Proof of the driver's skill/judgement/reactions and proof the Driver training gives them the Knowledge to deal with such situations - the same can NOT be said of the Numpty driver and their bad judgement I'd LOVE to see those who feel the BUS driver at fault and lacking skills deal with losing the Back end of a 12-13 ton Rear Engined Double Decker AGAIN - DUE TO THE SKILL OF THE DRIVER - THERE WAS NO COLLISION If any YOU GUYS have made an insurance claim for an accident that was "Not your fault" - I'd have a closer look at your claim if i was the insurance company paying out Paul.