I hope you all are happy now! :-(

[VVC-Geeza]

Leaving aside the economic arguements I have one very simple question for the Remainer's.

Please explain to me how the current levels of net EU migration are sustainable on a tiny island like the UK?The road and transport networks are at breaking point,housing is at a premium,British workers are being undercut in the workplace and there is now even talk of it taking up to three weeks for a doctors appointment.

Yes we need EU immigration but on a scale we can both control and be selective of.This has nothing to do with racism just pure common sense.

[shasbat3]

Originally Posted by VVC-Geeza

Leaving aside the economic arguements I have one very simple question for the Remainer's.

Please explain to me how the current levels of net EU migration are sustainable on a tiny island like the UK?The road and transport networks are at breaking point,housing is at a premium,British workers are being undercut in the workplace and there is now even talk of it taking up to three weeks for a doctors appointment.

Yes we need EU immigration but on a scale we can both control and be selective of.This has nothing to do with racism just pure common sense.

Exactly. Wot he said.

[DerekS]

Democracy in action ?

Consider these figures ....
Just over half of the people who voted , voted 'out '.
Total number of actual voters was 70% of those eligble (70% turnout)
So half of this 70% , I.E. 35% of the total eligble voters voted 'out'.

So 65% of the eligible voters did not vote for 'OUT'..

Roughly only one third of the eligble voters wanted us out , but we keep hearing ' the country voted for us to get out ' . Did they ?

And that is democracy in action.

The goverment should have required at least a 60% majority before any action could be considered .

Is everyone happy now ?

[coolguy]

Originally Posted by DerekS

Democracy in action ?

Consider these figures ....
Just over half of the people who voted , voted 'out '.
Total number of actual voters was 70% of those eligble (70% turnout)
So half of this 70% , I.E. 35% of the total eligble voters voted 'out'.

So 65% of the eligible voters did not vote for 'OUT'..

Roughly only one third of the eligble voters wanted us out , but we keep hearing ' the country voted for us to get out ' . Did they ?

And that is democracy in action.

The goverment should have required at least a 60% majority before any action could be considered .

Is everyone happy now ?

If you cannot be bothered to vote, you cannot assume what the actual cast would have been, therefore of those who were concerned a majority wanted to leave. End of!

[shasbat3]

You're right, but the reality is,
65% didn't vote 'in' either.

[VVC-Geeza]

Originally Posted by coolguy

If you cannot be bothered to vote, you cannot assume what the actual cast would have been, therefore of those who were concerned a majority wanted to leave. End of!

Perfectly put!It's just the "sore loser" Remainer's grasping at straws again.

The only votes that mattered were the one's cast and the majority of those people made their wishes very clear.And yes we are very happy now.

[Rooney]

Originally Posted by VVC-Geeza

Perfectly put!It's just the "sore loser" Remainer's grasping at straws again.

The only votes that mattered were the one's cast and the majority of those people made their wishes very clear.And yes we are very happy now.

So, I'll ask you the same question, if the majority (I'll even use bold ) of people in your country had voted to remain would you consider it undemocratic if you were still forced to leave?

That is, after all, exactly what you're saying isn't it?

It's not a trick question, would you have expected the result to be accepted if the remain side had won?

[DerekS]

Originally Posted by VVC-Geeza

Perfectly put!It's just the "sore loser" Remainer's grasping at straws again.

The only votes that mattered were the one's cast and the majority of those people made their wishes very clear.And yes we are very happy now.

Not a sore loser, The result (whichever way) will probably not affect me very much anyway. Its going to take more years than I have .

I'm just annoyed at the phrase .....the country voted 'out ' .. It didn t .

[rab60bit]

Originally Posted by DerekS

Democracy in action ?

Consider these figures ....
Just over half of the people who voted , voted 'out '.
Total number of actual voters was 70% of those eligble (70% turnout)
So half of this 70% , I.E. 35% of the total eligble voters voted 'out'.

So 65% of the eligible voters did not vote for 'OUT'..

Roughly only one third of the eligble voters wanted us out , but we keep hearing ' the country voted for us to get out ' . Did they ?

And that is democracy in action.

The goverment should have required at least a 60% majority before any action could be considered .

Is everyone happy now ?

Democracy includes having distinct choices. You can play the numbers as much as you want but it is democratic to decide NOT to take a choice when one is offered - you abstain by free choice.
Tough luck if a question is put to a vote, you choose not to use your vote and then disagree with the outcome sustained by those that did make a choice.
Maybe the answer is compulsory voting (our mates in Oz have that, but is it democratic?). Mind you their secondary voting system rarely comes up with a choice of strong goverment that lasts more than a year or so before they dither to a standstill and go back to the country for some new whizzes to con the electorate with.

[Dragrad]

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