All kicking off in Salisbury - Page 5

MSS · 12th March 2018, 23:38

It surprises me that no one has so far mentioned the former states of the USSR - I would have tought that some of them must retain chemical warfare capabilities of the former USSR and have a strong interest in ensuring that relations between the West and Russia continue to deteriorate.

The whole scenario of using a nerve agent only developed by the USSR seems just too obvious and not very clever unless the intention is to implicate the Russian regime.

wraymond · 13th March 2018, 10:48

The fact that the daughter was equally affected implies for me that she was not a conspirator.
Another valid consideration, not yet considered afaik, is that to bring such material into the UK would be difficult to ensure total secrecy. With Customs & Excise presence etc it would be stupid to risk discovery in such a mundane way. Unless of course it entered in a 'diplomatic bag' and went directly into the embassy. After all it is Russian military material. Always supposing of course that 'we' don't do that kind of thing. Just saying.

grivas · 13th March 2018, 11:41

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Originally Posted by wraymond

The fact that the daughter was equally affected implies for me that she was not a conspirator.
Another valid consideration, not yet considered afaik, is that to bring such material into the UK would be difficult to ensure total secrecy. With Customs & Excise presence etc it would be stupid to risk discovery in such a mundane way. Unless of course it entered in a 'diplomatic bag' and went directly into the embassy. After all it is Russian military material. Always supposing of course that 'we' don't do that kind of thing. Just saying.

God forbid!!!, 'we' are innocent of any such activities.

wraymond · 13th March 2018, 15:56

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Originally Posted by Groundsman Willie

Anyone know if we have a 75 owner by the name of Putin, first name Vladimir?

Again, no answers. Zil..ch

DerekS · 13th March 2018, 17:18

I do not understand the reason for all the skullduggery .
Why go to such lengths , as using a rare poison tip umbrella, using a rare reactive isotope to poison cup of tea, and now this unique nerve gas, all of which can be traced to their origins .
There are many other ways of getting the same result that would be much more difficult to trace. ( Im not telling you though ! )
Is it because the perpetrators want to be eventually identified , so as to terrify their emigrated ex spies etc ?
The very fact that these methods are all so unique points the finger of suspicion in a certain direction .

Gate Keeper · 13th March 2018, 17:57

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Originally Posted by DerekS

I do not understand the reason for all the skullduggery .
Why go to such lengths , as using a rare poison tip umbrella, using a rare reactive isotope to poison cup of tea, and now this unique nerve gas, all of which can be traced to their origins .
There are many other ways of getting the same result that would be much more difficult to trace. ( Im not telling you though ! )
Is it because the perpetrators want to be eventually identified , so as to terrify their emigrated ex spies etc ?
The very fact that these methods are all so unique points the finger of suspicion in a certain direction .

Why now I ask? Putin is up for re-election this month and if successful, he will remain in power until 2025. It is in his interests to demonstrate that he is a strong and fearless leader, that his power and reach can extend to anywhere in the world.

DerekS · 13th March 2018, 22:59

Or is someone ELSE using these things in order to put the blame on Russia . Medlling in Russian elections ?

Nurse Its my pill time now.

Dorset Bob · 14th March 2018, 11:24

Breaking news is that the military and police have sealed off an area in Gillingham (Dorset)

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/93...ted-police-war

My son goes to Gillingham High School and I got a message, before I saw this, saying that the town is gridlocked.

All very worrying.

ceedy · 14th March 2018, 11:54

Often Drive thro' Gill on the way to Work .. diff route tomorow then

Dorset Bob · 14th March 2018, 12:11

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Originally Posted by ceedy

Often Drive thro' Gill on the way to Work .. diff route tomorow then

Word on the street says that the military have been called in to remove a breakdown truck, that was used to recover Skripil's car.

If that is true, you should be okay by tomorrow Chris. It is not like they have called the AA, or anything.

13th March 2018, 10:48	#42
wraymond This is my second home 75 Auto 2.5 SE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westcliff on Sea Posts: 5,185 Thanks: 423 Thanked 1,680 Times in 1,014 Posts	The fact that the daughter was equally affected implies for me that she was not a conspirator. Another valid consideration, not yet considered afaik, is that to bring such material into the UK would be difficult to ensure total secrecy. With Customs & Excise presence etc it would be stupid to risk discovery in such a mundane way. Unless of course it entered in a 'diplomatic bag' and went directly into the embassy. After all it is Russian military material. Always supposing of course that 'we' don't do that kind of thing. Just saying. __________________ member no. 235

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DerekS Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Malpas Posts: 1,526 Thanks: 34 Thanked 118 Times in 89 Posts	) I do not understand the reason for all the skullduggery . Why go to such lengths , as using a rare poison tip umbrella, using a rare reactive isotope to poison cup of tea, and now this unique nerve gas, all of which can be traced to their origins . There are many other ways of getting the same result that would be much more difficult to trace. ( Im not telling you though ! ) Is it because the perpetrators want to be eventually identified , so as to terrify their emigrated ex spies etc ? The very fact that these methods are all so unique points the finger of suspicion in a certain direction .

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12th March 2018, 23:38	#41
MSS This is my second home Rover 75CDT, Jaguar XF-S 3.0V6, V'xhall Omega V6 Estate, Twintop 1.8VVT, Astra Estate and Corsa 1.2 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7,083 Thanks: 283 Thanked 624 Times in 440 Posts	It surprises me that no one has so far mentioned the former states of the USSR - I would have tought that some of them must retain chemical warfare capabilities of the former USSR and have a strong interest in ensuring that relations between the West and Russia continue to deteriorate. The whole scenario of using a nerve agent only developed by the USSR seems just too obvious and not very clever unless the intention is to implicate the Russian regime.

13th March 2018, 22:59	#47
DerekS Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Malpas Posts: 1,526 Thanks: 34 Thanked 118 Times in 89 Posts	Or is someone ELSE using these things in order to put the blame on Russia . Medlling in Russian elections ? Nurse Its my pill time now.